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Old Sep 29th 2018, 09:50 AM   #1
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V4 rear stand solution w/ warmers?

I'm curious if anyone has a rear stand solution for the V4. I'm looking for a stand that creates enough room to fit a tire warmer. I have the Pitbull stand and it lifts the bike nicely for chain cleaning, etc., but it doesn't allow enough room to fit a tire warmer. I have contacted Pitbull and asked if they're working on a solution for the V4, and they said they were, but it may be a while.

https://www.pit-bull.com/motorcycle-...-200?limit=100

PART 2, related:
My goal is better tire grip and life. I do 99% track riding and my rear OEM Supercorsa SP V3 lasts less than one track day. I like the tire; it heats up quickly without warmers and provide great edge grip. But I'm sure a better solution is to run slicks with warmers to reduce heat cycles. I also suspect an SC2 slick might be a little more durable?

So the question is, if I don't have a rear stand that allows warmers, does it make sense to run slick tires? Will they heat up reasonably fast without warmers and will they be more durable while suffering the same heat cycles as my OEM tires? I'm thinking that until I can use warmers, I should just stick with the OEM Supecorsas.

Any info will be much appreciated! Thanks.
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Old Sep 29th 2018, 10:09 AM   #2
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No! Slicks only with warmers
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Old Sep 29th 2018, 01:02 PM   #3
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I am not sure why the stand won’t fit with warmers. I can run warmers with both single side stand and spool stand. I have used these https://www.motovationusa.com/ducati...on-rfsd03.html on all of my Ducati’s that have single sided swing arms.

On the tire issue I have run the SC1 & SC2 with good results. I still only get maybe a day and half on the rear if I flip it for day two. This is running A group pace at Chuckwalla, ButtonWillow and Laguna.
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Old Sep 30th 2018, 01:23 AM   #4
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"PART 2, related:
My goal is better tire grip and life. I do 99% track riding and my rear OEM Supercorsa SP V3 lasts less than one track day. "

less than 1 track day? for real? how many session was that and how long / session?
Ducati OEM rear stand got NP for warmer in and out.....
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Old Sep 30th 2018, 06:49 AM   #5
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Have you tried the PB stand or are you just believing what you’ve read? Put bigger wheels on it if you truly have an issue. TRex works fine. Slicks needing warmers is BS. Take your time warming any tire on the track and you’ll be fine. I’m surprised your OEM tires aren’t holding up better. Check with the Pirelli rep and a reputable suspension guy to make sure you’re set up correctly. If all is well after that, you need to hit a starting grid somewhere.
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Old Sep 30th 2018, 04:34 PM   #6
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I'm not sure why you are having problems with the pitbull stand in the link from your original post. I have the very same stand. I purchased a spare set of rims for the sole purpose of running slicks. SC1 front SC2 rear. I have no problems using tire warmers. Yes the fenders are tight. Can you provide some addition details with regard to the problems you're having. I may be able to help. I have only had warmers for a few months so there was some practice involved (5 minutes) when I first used them.
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Old Sep 30th 2018, 05:19 PM   #7
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Thanks to all for the feedback, especial carlpretzel.

I had the Pitbull stand but hadn't yet bought any warmers. (I'm sort of transitioning to get more serious about track riding and figured it's time.) But with that stand, it "looked" like the clearance between the stand axle and the tire rubber was less than an inch. My calibrated eyeball suspected warmers wouldn't snake through that gap, and the Pitbull website also claimed it wouldn't fit warmers on the V4. So I assumed it wouldn't work without actually testing it. [Mistake #1?]

Then I had the brilliant idea to take the stand to a local metal fabricator and have them weld in a 2" extension, sure to provide plenty of room for a warmer. They did this, but the stand geometry and leverage became far too wonky... so now I have no rear stand. [Mistake #2] I personally like the Pitbull and if you say it'll fit warmers, albeit tightly, I might just get another one.

As for my rear tire wear, it's not that I'm any special rider or anything, but Auto Club Speedway is very hard on the left side. My right side is nearly unused, but with 5 20-minute sessions on a brand new OEM tire + 50 street miles after, the metal bands were peaking through. Many riders there reverse the rear tire at noon and get more mileage. For comparison, I would get about 3track days there on my Monster 1200S running Supercorsa SP V2s. The V4 gets less than 1 day running SP V3s. Of course, there is a 65 HP difference to factor in too. This is a problem I'm happy to have. The bike is ferocious I think and I love it more and more each time I sit on it, look at it, hear it, read about it, or talk about it.
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Well I will chime in with some non bike specific advice mainly because I’m on a 1299 not a V4. Up where I live we ride Thunderhill which like ACS is predominantly lefts. I ride A group, closer to the pointy end just for reference in my comments. Tire life is multi-factorial and you can shred any tire in short order if things aren’t working good. Things you should focus on are suspension set up, tire pressures and rider input. I don’t know where you are in terms of your riding but try and find a suspension tuner at the track and work with them to help optimize your set up. Also watch your tire wear. It is pretty routine to flip the tire to get more life by utilizing the right side so make sure your tires can be run in both directions. Tire warmers aren’t a bad idea but they aren’t a cure all nor are they without problems. Improperly used and you get cold tear or overheat the tire, both will shorten the life.

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I use a pit bull rear stand and warmers no issue
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I would post some pics but I canít . I use Capit tyre warmers and have used them on Pirelli slicks now Bridgestone VO 2 both no issue
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