Go Back   Ducati Forum > Ducati Panigale Forum > Ducati V4

Ducati V4 Ducati Panigale V4 Forum - Ducati V4 Panigale Superbike Motorcycle Forum


Thanks Tree12Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Oct 18th 2018, 08:56 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
chillo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2015
From: UK

Posts: 124
Thanks: 24

I Ride: v4s, 1299s & CRF450x
I had the oil cooler fail in the same place on my v4s earlier this year.
It occurred at this years TT at the Isle of Man.

Ducati Panigale v4s 2 weeks and 2 days old at the time, 1665miles on the odometer.
This is a bit of part of what I wrote to Ducati, a bit of a statement of the facts as they occurred:
'Conditions are dry and clear at low levels, some mist higher up the mountain at mid-level and clear at the summit.
Ambient temp is 11-12C.
Time approx. 6.35am on Tuesday 5th June 2018.
Location A18 ‘Mountain Circuit’ between Ramsey hairpin and the Gooseneck.

Having already completed one lap of the mountain circuit, this was the start of my second run on the mountain road which is a public road, one way and with no speed limit for the duration of the TT races.
The tyres where up to temperature having completed a lap of the mountain circuit and the return loop road without stopping, a distance of approx. 20 miles in total.
I’m a very experienced and highly skilled on a motorbike, riding litre+ sports bikes for over 22 years and have raced at national level.
The bike had been used to its full potential for the previous 4 days completing many runs of the unrestricted mountain road and achieving vmax at several points over the run with no issue.
I always use my Ducati to their maximum designed potential!

The incident:
Everything had appeared normal up to this point with normal temps and no warning lights to suggest any issue. Bike performing perfectly.

I exited Ramsey hairpin and approached the gooseneck, I entered a right hand bend where the bike started to slide and almost highsided me. I caught the slide landing back on the bike briefly assuming that being either under some tree cover or early morning at that point it could have been a little damp. Without any hesitation I immediately opened the throttle and entered the next left hand bend where the bike immediately started to slide and again almost highsided me. I caught the slide again landing back onto the bike and rolled off the throttle knowing something was not right with the bike.
I pulled over off the racing line and slowly exited the road above the gooseneck and immediately switched off the bike. Oil was dripping from under the bike and it immediately became obvious that lower part of the bike and back tyre was coated in oil. In addition my boots are contaminated with oil residue.
The lower fairing was removed to try and locate the issue and which quickly became obvious that oil was leaking from a crack in the rear of the oil cooler on the lower left side.'

There was lot more details in what I sent to Ducati which I won't copy here.
Suffice to say I was not very happy as this incident could have caused me very serious injury or been fatal with the speeds I would been doing had I been a few miles further up the mountain course!
I had to recover the bike to the ferry terminal and push it on myself, then try and get it recovered from Heysham. I wont go into details about the shambolic recovery attempt which was only resolved when my dealer stepped in and went and collected the bike from Heysham the next day. My dealer were brilliant and really stepped up! (thanks Cobb and Jagger in Shipley! -Leeds Ducati!)
They replaced both my back (and front) tyres along with the defective oil cooler. I also have been given 3rd year warranty foc and my leathers and boots where replaced.
Ducati advise my dealer that this was a one off manufacturing defect!

Since then my water pump seal has failed twice covering the lower part of the bike with coolant and both the water pump and seal has been replaced, the second time only very recently! -unfortunately the same part number is being used to replace!

I love the bike but Ducati are really testing my patience.

I'll upload some pics

Last edited by chillo; Oct 18th 2018 at 09:02 AM.
chillo is offline  
 
Old Oct 18th 2018, 09:06 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
chillo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2015
From: UK

Posts: 124
Thanks: 24

I Ride: v4s, 1299s & CRF450x
pics of my oil cooler leak!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Ducati v4s oil spill 4.jpg (93.8 KB, 53 views)
File Type: jpg Ducati v4s oil spill 1.jpg (89.3 KB, 47 views)
chillo is offline  
Old Oct 18th 2018, 09:13 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
DUCENZO's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2012
From: Charleston, SC

Posts: 943
Thanks: 204

I Ride: '13 1199 ABS seDUCATIve, '05 DUCATI 999 CYBOR9, '05 HONDA 600RR REPSOL, '07 ZUKE GSXR 600 Race Bike
Same EXACT thing happened to me, on the track. After a few attempts to repair including plastic welding and epoxy/jb weld to avoid dealer down time ...It was replaced under warranty.

I experienced the lowest low side you can imagine without laying it down Ö.dunno how it came back up.


Glad you didn't wreck yours.
DUCENZO is online now  
Old Oct 20th 2018, 05:31 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2018
From: North Carolina

Posts: 107
Thanks: 39

I Ride: Ducati Panigale V4S
Wow!! I'm glad everyone is ok and no one crashed.
Every time I look at the location of the oil cooler I cringe. It's in an area that could easily pickup damage from rocks and other road debris. These photos a clearly not debris related. Fatigue failure???
This should be communicated directly to Ducati!! To hell with the local dealer.
Most of my riding is done on the track. I think it's time to invest in fairings that have an oil pan
I'm going to keep a sharp eye on this issue. I understand this is the first year release. but an oil cooler is pretty standard stuff. I believe it is rubber mounted?
Thanks from Hunter92
carlpretzel is offline  
Old Oct 20th 2018, 11:44 PM   #15
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2018
From: Hungary

Posts: 14
Thanks: 3

I Ride: Panigale V4
Originally Posted by carlpretzel View Post
I'm going to keep a sharp eye on this issue. I understand this is the first year release. but an oil cooler is pretty standard stuff. I believe it is rubber mounted?
Yes, this is the first year release, but this SHOULD BE a premium product!!! Yes it is rubber mounted on the top and bottom side.

My dealer promised me last Saturday, they order the new cooler super express... I did not hear anything from them until today... I will try to contact Ducati directly, to get some compensation for this serious issue, because the dealer does not really care about me. (just change the cooler and everything is OK.....)
Hunter92 is offline  
Old Oct 20th 2018, 11:49 PM   #16
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2018
From: Hungary

Posts: 14
Thanks: 3

I Ride: Panigale V4
Originally Posted by chillo View Post
They replaced both my back (and front) tyres along with the defective oil cooler. I also have been given 3rd year warranty foc and my leathers and boots where replaced.

Was everything replaced by Ducati or by your dealer? I mean who paid it...
Hunter92 is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2018, 08:40 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
chillo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2015
From: UK

Posts: 124
Thanks: 24

I Ride: v4s, 1299s & CRF450x
I believe Ducati covered all the replacement parts following dealer submitted warranty claim
chillo is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2018, 11:41 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2017
From: DC Swamp

Posts: 160
Thanks: 44

Looks like that connection between the pipe and housing needs a bead welded around it, if that’s possible and the metal is thick enough. I’m guessing it’s just glued on. Go talk to TT 911 and GT3 guys about using glue to mate things like that together. The glue fails. Most guys get them pinned or by an aftermarket version of the same thing that’s designed better and does not use glue. Looks like Ducati cut this one too close. You guys are lucky to be alive. If I had a V4s I’d go to the garage and check now.
DCPanni is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2018, 01:43 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
chillo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2015
From: UK

Posts: 124
Thanks: 24

I Ride: v4s, 1299s & CRF450x


So guess what happened again today!
To say Iím not happy is a bit of an understatement!
Oil cooler failed in exactly the same place as before and covered the bike in oil again, I nearly came off but somehow managed to stay on.
Lost all confidence in the bike now.
Thatís 2 oil cooler failures covering the tyre in oil which could have killed me and also 2 times the water pump seal has also failed and I could have been seriously injured (or worse) due to coolant all over the rear tyre.
The bike has only just come back from having the water pump and seal replaced, it was my first ride out on the bike and had only done 80 miles!

I seriously advise everyone to check and be aware on both the oil cooler failing and the water pump seal failing!

I really want to reject this bike now! Itís 5 months old.
Thanks from jbraslins and carlpretzel

Last edited by chillo; Oct 21st 2018 at 01:45 PM.
chillo is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2018, 01:53 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2018
From: North Carolina

Posts: 107
Thanks: 39

I Ride: Ducati Panigale V4S
Originally Posted by chillo View Post


So guess what happened again today!
To say Iím not happy is a bit of an understatement!
Oil cooler failed in exactly the same place as before and covered the bike in oil again, I nearly came off but somehow managed to stay on.
Lost all confidence in the bike now.
Thatís 2 oil cooler failures covering the tyre in oil which could have killed me and also 2 times the water pump seal has also failed and I could have been seriously injured (or worse) due to coolant all over the rear tyre.
The bike has only just come back from having the water pump and seal replaced, it was my first ride out on the bike and had only done 80 miles!

I seriously advise everyone to check and be aware on both the oil cooler failing and the water pump seal failing!



I really want to reject this bike now! Itís 5 months old.
Wholly SHIT!! I want to get rid of mine now as well. I glad you're ok yet! Maybe we should all write letters to Ducati. To hell with the local dealer this is a serious issue. I'm afraid to ride this bike now. I've been complaining about the weak ass mirrors and the brake light housing that's cracked because the rear fender is shit. I'm much more worried about this fragile bike.
carlpretzel is offline  
Reply

  Ducati Forum > Ducati Panigale Forum > Ducati V4

Tags
broken, cooler, joint, oil



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: MAC radiator/oil cooler Thamer Classifieds 16 Sep 1st 2017 07:22 PM
Front mount oil cooler timwu12 Ducati 1299 10 Apr 29th 2016 08:30 PM
wonder if this runs any cooler :P kismetcapitan Ducati 1299 2 Jun 12th 2015 04:55 AM
additional oil cooler Phl Mechanical and Technical 16 Nov 19th 2014 09:22 AM
Bike runs cooler after run-in service ducm3 Ducati 1199 1 Sep 8th 2012 06:21 PM


Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed