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Old Dec 4th 2018, 09:15 AM   #11
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some would say
the dry clutch has a clear HP and function advantage on the racetrack hence motogp bikes have dry clutches.

so-
wonder if the Ducati engineers decided that the wsbk teams couldn't run dry clutches because of production rules that require it be on the homologation bikes from the factory .....

..... so they decided they wanted it on the race bikes but couldn't have it unless it came on the actual homologation production bike and therefore they decided to piss some of you off to make their ideal race bike .....

..... which is a great place to debate the practicality of a dry clutch on the street since the bike is built to be a homologation rule compliant street bike that makes a terrible street bike and a great track bike.
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Well that would certainly be a step in the right direction. It best for them to use proven aftermarket components. I honestly donít think they will throw STMs top flight dry unit in the delivered units. I think this was a photo opp. Lastly they made it clear that the dry inclusion on the Dealer bike was for compliance spec
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Old Dec 4th 2018, 09:42 AM   #13
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Well that would certainly be a step in the right direction. It best for them to use proven aftermarket components. I honestly donít think they will throw STMs top flight dry unit in the delivered units. I think this was a photo opp. Lastly they made it clear that the dry inclusion on the Dealer bike was for compliance spec
Endo, for V2, what would you recommend for aftermarket Wet clutch? and even Dry clutch if you were to go that route.
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MAC, agreed. On the track it makes sense to use the dry. No induced drag from the viscosity of oil. Easy to pull the plates. Easy to get a visual on the mechanics of operation. Less chance of lubrication contamination. Quick and easy to try different friction combinations. On the street, I just don't think it matters. Now it does come with the audible and visual "bling" factor if you need that sort of thing. Personally, one more thing rattling on a Ducati isn't helping matters and yes if the race team uses the dry, I think it needs to be on the dealer bike. I modded my CDT lower on the clutch side with some access holes. Im running the EVR clutch and basket on the 99. I can without effort pull the cover, pressure plate, steels and friction plates in 5-7 min so practical ease of maintenance on my wet clutch is not an issue, its quiet, the six spring pressure plate has overwhelming bite. HP wet vs dry, yep on a carefully calibrated dyno, you may see it. For the guy that in 40 lbs overweight talking about the performance benefits of the weight reduction of his milled brake lever, probably not. Just sayin
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YoungR, I have personally only use the EVR stuff. That being said, I think the other aftermarket clutches are all good and probably all have their own idiosyncrasies. I chose the EVR because I was building from scratch and it came with the billet basket. You can screw around from there with springs and friction material to fine tune. I have tried maybe 4-5 different clutch packs but Im not technical enough from a rider perspective to give a recommendation on those components. The first bike has 16K street/track miles on it an the clutch is flawless. I use the Brembo GP 19x16 MC and an Oberon slave (not sure but I think its a 28)
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Hey Endo, nice to see you. Noticed you haven't been on the forum for a bit. So you have a V4 now?
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Hi Mutt

No not yet but i'm working on it. i'm acquiring a Motor, frame and swingarm and then ill build it using all the good stuff.
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Old Dec 4th 2018, 11:18 AM   #18
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MAC, agreed. On the track it makes sense to use the dry. No induced drag from the viscosity of oil. Easy to pull the plates. Easy to get a visual on the mechanics of operation. Less chance of lubrication contamination. Quick and easy to try different friction combinations. On the street, I just don't think it matters. Now it does come with the audible and visual "bling" factor if you need that sort of thing. Personally, one more thing rattling on a Ducati isn't helping matters and yes if the race team uses the dry, I think it needs to be on the dealer bike. I modded my CDT lower on the clutch side with some access holes. Im running the EVR clutch and basket on the 99. I can without effort pull the cover, pressure plate, steels and friction plates in 5-7 min so practical ease of maintenance on my wet clutch is not an issue, its quiet, the six spring pressure plate has overwhelming bite. HP wet vs dry, yep on a carefully calibrated dyno, you may see it. For the guy that in 40 lbs overweight talking about the performance benefits of the weight reduction of his milled brake lever, probably not. Just sayin
Endo I agree completely no advantage on the street and the way I read the WSBK rules the teams can modify the clutch and even switch from one aftermarket to another change the slip modify etc etc but they have to stay wet if homologated wet and dry if homologated dry.
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Yea that makes sense. Gotta play by the rules. You know me and the crap I build. Im just not much up on gimmicks or visual effects. Just some decent engineering and if its not functional, I kinda just skip it. Pretty boring.
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Yea that makes sense. Gotta play by the rules. You know me and the crap I build. Im just not much up on gimmicks or visual effects. Just some decent engineering and if its not functional, I kinda just skip it. Pretty boring.
kinda reminds me of the winglets - I'm betting the racebike will have a mount to the frame rigidity with some seriously great tuning/function as permitted by the rules and I'm guessing the stock ones flop around like a wet noodle with almost zero function. (except I have a unreasonable love for the dry clutch on the street)

more manufactures are building wsbk homologation bikes and I'm thinking more of this stuff will be appearing in the future
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