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Old Feb 28th 2019, 03:46 AM   #11
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It is not a recall. You guys need to understand the difference between a TSB and a recall.

There's about 10-12 TSBs for the bike and 5 recalls. This is basically a way of a mfg fucking you. Ford, GM, etc. all do it.

Recalls are the only thing that they are technically responsible for financially, and these will generally be immediate issues that will result in harm to the rider if not taken care of.

A TSB, it's related labor and parts, can be charged to the customer, or taken care of for free, depending on the dealer. TSBs are generally less known about, as well. These are generally "annoyances," or what we like to call "features" at the Ducati forums.

The quickshifter is a TSB. The clutch issue is a TSB. The kickstand issue is a TSB. There's even some for electronics.
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Old Feb 28th 2019, 05:13 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by panis View Post
It is not a recall. You guys need to understand the difference between a TSB and a recall.

There's about 10-12 TSBs for the bike and 5 recalls. This is basically a way of a mfg fucking you. Ford, GM, etc. all do it.

Recalls are the only thing that they are technically responsible for financially, and these will generally be immediate issues that will result in harm to the rider if not taken care of.

A TSB, it's related labor and parts, can be charged to the customer, or taken care of for free, depending on the dealer. TSBs are generally less known about, as well. These are generally "annoyances," or what we like to call "features" at the Ducati forums.

The quickshifter is a TSB. The clutch issue is a TSB. The kickstand issue is a TSB. There's even some for electronics.
Thanks for that response Panis that all makes sense now. So it looks like it's dealer discretion on whether they will take care of specific TSBs. Is there a good website showing the Panigale V4 TSBs?

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Old Feb 28th 2019, 09:40 AM   #13
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Thanks for that response Panis that all makes sense now. So it looks like it's dealer discretion on whether they will take care of specific TSBs. Is there a good website showing the Panigale V4 TSBs?

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This is sort of the other beauty of TSBs for dealers...

You have to ask your dealer for the full list normally. I have found certain ones for some of my vehicles (non Ducati and Ducati [related to rear brake]) floating around the internet just by searching the internet for the problem sometimes pops it up as they are usually THAT COMMON of a problem.

I think to get a list without a dealer, you need to submit a request to NHTSA with your VIN and they will mail you a paper copy of the list after 4-6 weeks.

TSBs, also, in general, are for technicians at the dealership, and not the general public. Lots of times it has technical details (steps) on how to fix the issue, along with related part #s required for the fix. That is why in general they are not "free" by default as a recall is (even out of warranty, recalls are free). However, if a TSB is out there, it means there's a systemic issue with the product that has caused enough issues to warrant a company creating documentation on the problem, the fix, and the parts required for them.
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Here's a couple of examples of what they normally look like:

Motorcycle Info Pages - MTS1200 Service & Maintenance > Rear Brake Bleeding

https://ford.oemdtc.com/1741/14s17-e...d-focus-escape

The second link is listed as recall for several models of Fords, but is a TSB for other models. The harness gets cut through by vibrating against a sharp piece of molded plastic that was cheaply made en masse.
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Thanks for the responses.

FYI, replacing the master or the slave with another new OEM part does not work. The clutch fade comes back. Maybe not in the first 200 miles, but it does come back. And you will soon have to bleed as you did before, every 200 miles.

Same for replacing the clutch fluids. Whether it's with OEM brake fluid, Motul, or Castrol. You might think the problem is fixed because you didn't have to bleed for 600 miles, but slowly and surely, fade comes back. Then it's the usual 200-mile bleed intervals.

I'm sure you guys have read the same posts I have where people who replaced the master+slave with aftermarket reported the problem solved. This really only adds more speculation to why this mystery problem is still around. Especially for those who owned a 1199/1299. Maybe they replaced that small black hose that runs from the master cylinder to the reservoir? Don't know, but it doesn't help when they claim there are no clutch fade problems and they show a pic of their 1299 with Brembo RCS master and Oberon slave.

For those who ask, the clutch "recall" isn't official (its a TSB?) so you won't see it ever when you look up your VIN. My VIN doesn't show the clutch recall, only the "oil cooler replacement" and "timing chain tensioner torque update". The build date on my V4S is 2/2018 so I'm not sure if ones built on a later date gets to experience these persistent nagging issues.

Since 2 people mentioned it seemed to fix the problem I guess I'll make the leap and schedule service to find out what happens. I'll try to report back, but if I don't it's probably because I'll be out riding instead of on the internet complaining.

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Update.

Finally took my bike into the dealer for what I thought was 2 (official) recalls. But when I took it in, they mentioned they would probably keep it for a week and a half because they need to do 6 recalls. Nice! Right?

SRV-TSB-18-019 CLUTCH HOSE REPLACEMENT. Done. The fn clutch. Despite what others have said on this forum. They did not replace the 4 inch hose that goes from the master to the reservoir. I sounded like a broken record asking the dealer and the mechanic the same question numerous times if it was only that small hose, and they gave the same answer every time; which was no. They replaced the clutch line that goes from the master to the slave. Did it fix the problem? I wonít know until a get a few hundred miles later, however I am optimistic as others have said it has fixed the issue of fade. If the clutch feels the same as it did today when i picked it up in 400 and then 800 miles later without a bleed, Iíll consider it fixed.

SRV-RCL-18-006 OIL COOLER REPLACEMENT. Done

SRV-TSB-10-015 REAR SPEED SENSOR UPDATE. Done.

SRV-TSB-18-018 ECCENTRIC HUB FASTENING TORQUE UPDATE. Done

SRV-RCL-18-008 HYDRAULIC TENSIONER TIGHTENING TORQUE UPDATE. Done.

SRV-TSB-18-019 CLUTCH HOSE REPLACEMENT. Done.

SRV-TSB-19-001 EXHAUST MANIFOLD AND BOWDEN CABLE REPLACEMENT. Done. This wouldíve been a surprise to be had I not spoke to other local panigale v4 owners who had this done. According to the mechanic the sensor bung welds on the header were shitty and apparently would give out if you pushed your bike a lot. Luckily I didnít notice any odd problems before i brought it in, but they replaced them anyways. They only replace the headers, not the entire exhaust system (cat and muffler).
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