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Old Mar 25th 2019, 03:10 PM   #1
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my new (2018) S1000RR brakes better than my V4.. I'm concerned..

So everything I saw on YouTube and read in reviews, plus the lighter weight of my V4 from my S1000RR makes me believe that it will brake better.. but from what I can tell, my S1000 feels more sure footed, and less spongy... The Ducati stopes fine, but feels "Faded".. I did install Rizomo reservoirs so I'm wondering if maybe they need to re-bleed the brakes or something....

Anyone else who's ridden the S1000RR confirm my suspicion that the Ducati should feel better? Could it be my pads didn't seat well? Are there better pads out there?
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Old Mar 25th 2019, 04:37 PM   #2
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I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.
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Old Mar 25th 2019, 04:40 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Fry View Post
I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.
that's what it is.. that initial bite of the BMW is so much nicer... maybe I'll pay around with some distance tests from 30-40mph... and see.
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Originally Posted by SJS View Post
So everything I saw on YouTube and read in reviews, plus the lighter weight of my V4 from my S1000RR makes me believe that it will brake better.. but from what I can tell, my S1000 feels more sure footed, and less spongy... The Ducati stopes fine, but feels "Faded".. I did install Rizomo reservoirs so I'm wondering if maybe they need to re-bleed the brakes or something....

Anyone else who's ridden the S1000RR confirm my suspicion that the Ducati should feel better? Could it be my pads didn't seat well? Are there better pads out there?
I had to get on my brakes hard on the Ducati several times yesterday. The brakes feel very good, and I need to dial up the support in the front some more. One of the instances was an immediate panic braking scenario and I was doing 80+. Felt like I locked up the front for a chirp. The front end stayed straight and true. Another was a very hard braking over several seconds scenario and the front felt like it was moving back and forth slightly. I only have 1300 miles on the bike, so I don't think I have a great feel for getting the most out of the brakes yet.

That said, the RR brakes are outstanding, and why my R1M feels woefully inadequate in comparison. I don't know if it's just the pads, but I've never had better brakes than the RR. They were excellent right off the bat. Great initial bite, feel, powerful braking and the front feels very planted under braking. Hope that helps.

I started another thread yesterday about the 2020 S1000RR. I got to check one out in the flesh as it's destined to be a famous BMW racer's new bike. Expected price with the M package is $23-24K. I put down a refundable deposit.

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Originally Posted by Fry View Post
I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.
I would have to agree with this. I wish the V4 had the linked braking. I also think that having bought the RR first makes it a tough act to follow WRT braking. I'm going down to the basement to dial up the braking support to see if that makes a difference tomorrow.

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I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!
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Old Mar 25th 2019, 08:44 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by PanigaleV4S View Post
I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!
The rear brakes on the 2020 RR are still Brembo and the fronts are in house from my source that tests for BMW. The fronts are said to be excellent, so I guess we'll see. I actually got a look at the 2020 RR with the M package Saturday.

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I've felt from day 1 that the brakes felt a little shy in comparison to my old R. Tried bleeding which helped. Only thing I could really think of was that there seems to be a lot more line in the system to pressurise.

I'm thinking pads first, maybe competition lines to follow?
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Originally Posted by oldmansan View Post
The rear brakes on the 2020 RR are still Brembo and the fronts are in house from my source that tests for BMW. The fronts are said to be excellent, so I guess we'll see. I actually got a look at the 2020 RR with the M package Saturday.

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That makes sense. I just picked up a brand new 2019 R1250 RT at work, and the front calipers have "BMW" stamped on them. Haven't done any brake testing with it yet, but we'll see how good they are. Let the fun begin!
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Originally Posted by PanigaleV4S View Post
I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!
Yes, and the funny thing is, on the video I looked at, the tester said the new 2020 BMW RR's initial bite from the brakes aren't there anymore. The person in charge of building the new 2020 BMW RR bike said, he knows, they didn't want that initial bite anymore, and wanted a more gradual brake feeling. Go Figure.
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