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Old Jun 7th 2019, 04:16 PM   #151
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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
Well you seem to have done a fine job of that already, aaaaaaanyways........ back on topic as the gentleman just said.

Forget all the other jizz, for me to go for this I want numbers, not a guestimate of 10% better, I want graphs that aren't just generated in MS paint, I want to see actual runs and real world results........ that also means I don't run on rocket fuel from day to day!

Get some good runs, good comparisons with real results then you'll start winning customers, simple
Next Friday is the scheduled date with Motorcycle.com in LA. This has been delayed due to the termi bike having so many issues and being at ducati service for weeks on end. He's now dropping out of the dyno day so I'm bringing three v4's to test there. There will be an article as well that they do.
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Old Jun 10th 2019, 04:11 PM   #152
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I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
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Old Jun 10th 2019, 04:17 PM   #153
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94F but you’re at sea level too so don’t expect to find much more joy. Bren can’t look at dyno numbers (unless you have A/F numbers) and magically make more hp unless they sent you bad data from the beginning. Bren makes wild claims but they aren’t reproduceable in the real world.
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Old Jun 10th 2019, 05:28 PM   #154
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Originally Posted by FlatlineEF9 View Post
I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
can you post the back to back charts overlayed?
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Old Jun 10th 2019, 05:43 PM   #155
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I will. I have to get a second printout from the dealer because the first baseline runs were in 4th gear.

The second runs, after exhaust, bren, and filter were in 4th but he mentioned i might get more power in 5th. Got like 1.1 more hp. So the printout he gave me was the baseline in 4th and the modded 5th gear. Not a good comparison.

i saw the two graphs with the 4th gear runs and the operator said it was a consistent 5hpish across the band.
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Old Jun 10th 2019, 05:44 PM   #156
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Originally Posted by Blackbrush View Post
94F but youíre at sea level too so donít expect to find much more joy. Bren canít look at dyno numbers (unless you have A/F numbers) and magically make more hp unless they sent you bad data from the beginning. Bren makes wild claims but they arenít reproduceable in the real world.
I can hope. lol. or wait till our "winter" when its a brisk 65 degrees at 10am
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 09:46 AM   #157
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Teh1337ftw

I will. I have to get a second printout from the dealer because the first baseline runs were in 4th gear.

The second runs, after exhaust, bren, and filter were in 4th but he mentioned i might get more power in 5th. Got like 1.1 more hp. So the printout he gave me was the baseline in 4th and the modded 5th gear. Not a good comparison.

i saw the two graphs with the 4th gear runs and the operator said it was a consistent 5hpish across the band.
If you can have them send the graph from both the same gears it would help. It's concerning that they picked different gears for before and after. Very odd.
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 03:09 PM   #158
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Can we just get a simple before and after dyno graph?

Thatís really the only thing thatís going to convince me to spend any money.

This must have been done at some point if they are claiming any benefit. If you canít compare the final product to the stock mapping how can you possibly claim itís better?
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 04:44 PM   #159
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Originally Posted by burton View Post
Can we just get a simple before and after dyno graph?

Thatís really the only thing thatís going to convince me to spend any money.

This must have been done at some point if they are claiming any benefit. If you canít compare the final product to the stock mapping how can you possibly claim itís better?
They've done it on their own dyno but everyone wants to see completely independent results and I provided those from here in SoCal with a random shop. That graph is up.

Now I'm going to go to motorcycle.com and do it there
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 06:30 PM   #160
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Originally Posted by FlatlineEF9 View Post
I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
I'd like to see you do a dyno run on bren, then a dyno run on akra and post the difference. Same day of course.


I have not seen bren post from their dyno stock exhaust stock tune then same day the graph for stock exhaust bren tune.

Another option is a drag race with the above bikes, do a few runs, swap bikes, do a few runs, take the average and compare.

I know that an independent one is coming, but why is this comparison not the first thing you see on their website?

Last, why is this flash 1300 dollars, is there something more better than a cob tune for a subaru or a panigale 1199, etc? How do canned tunes cost different, is it the Ducati tax basically?

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