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Old Jun 18th 2019, 05:58 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Desmophile View Post
After 3+ seasons on the track with my 2012 1199S, I managed to kill "Sophia".
Thought about getting another 1199S, because I am familiar with it, and now have a bunch of spare parts
Looked at a bunch of reviews, and the one that got my attention was MCN's review of V4S, 1299S, and Aprilia. Aprilia is too compact for me. MCN thought the V4 was a major step ahead of the 1299.
So V4 rose to the top.
Read about the new BMW. Looks like it is a major improvement over last generation, and I have ridden the last generation and it was fun and easy to ride relative to the 1199. Costs less than the V4.

Decided to get a left over 2018 V4.

I like Ducatis, plain and simple.
If you race bikes for a living or because anyone else thinks more or less of you because you aren't the fastest guy/gal on the track, well OK.
I am not in the club.




I'm 67 years old. This will likely be my last superbike.

I have done a bunch of sh..... in my life that I regret.
Not going to add not buying a V4 to the list.

FWIW, my wife told me to do it or I would always wish I had.
Bless her


As many different right answers as there are folks out there I imagine.
I aspire to be just like that when I'm 67, although I told myself the V4R is my last bike but I'm only 45
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Old Jun 18th 2019, 07:58 PM   #52
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I have had my new V4R , Race build only since April 24th, Been on the Race Track 5 X now and I love the bike... I just picked up my New BMW S1000RR M package last weekend for Racing only too... I will give my unbiased opinion on what bike I like better on the track only, unfortunately probably won’t Race the BMW this season because I still need to get it Race ready per CCS- ASRA rules..I do plan on doing track days on it and also plan on testing both bikes back to back... Stay tuned..
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Old Jun 19th 2019, 03:28 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by panis View Post
you mean like RTV on a $40k bike? lol...throwing stones in glass houses. I heard they passed along the DQS-err to the V4R...what morons didn't figure that one out already, it was a major issue on the V4/S/Speciale...
The RTV on the covers for the frame? I didnít see this issue in my V4R.. but I recently saw the M again in person, odd they would incorporate the clip-ons into the triple tree... so if one were to take a tumble at the track, they canít just replace the clip one without replacing Triple clamp. Seems a bit odd
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Old Jun 19th 2019, 04:51 AM   #54
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I Ride: Ď19 V4R '13 1199
I have nothing against the BMW, I loved riding friends bikes, they were like a couch. they did everything perfect and were boring cause it was all great.

The new 2020 M i have not rode, i have seen it a few times, up close. As i said prior, i had high hopes for this bike, but when you see it in person, you see its not finished well... the headlights, i like. I think they did a great job. The side look shows the massive Cat, and when you delete, there is no belly pan (yet) so it looks rough, the tail, interesting to have it so you may not be able to remove the fender... the stickers, they are that, stickers. They were coming off the demo bike at COTA and off the rear tail from everyone putting their leg over it. The lack of Ohlins and Brembo is odd, i have heard the brakes are great, and i heard they fade. I have not rode to say myself. The TPMS is cool, but it acts up and you have to toggle through it to get it to remove, so when you go to the track and lower your pressures, this might be an inconvenience, or when they heat up. The dash, is just amazing. such a big beautiful display. The clip -ons are no longer clip ons. they are clamed to the forks so you have to change out the tree clamp. if you go down, you could ruin more than a clip on, might be the front end, clamp etc... seems odd.. and I have heard from owners the seat is bare on the BMW, its not as nice as past bikes.

my V4R, i do not have the RTV that EDR posted, i had looked after. they just snap in to cover the removed section of the front end on my bike. I did find a false neutral this weekend while riding, not sure if this was the bike, or me... so I cant speak on that... i am seeing others have the concern. the R is the hottest bike i have ever ridden, the gauge doesnt tell me the temp as my 1199 did, but the bar graph does not go high, but i tend to be the heat soak on this bike... not sure if the fairings are allowing the air to move around the engine better and it goes to me or if it runs hotter. when riding at normal sprinted rides, i dont notice, its only around town that i do.

With all that said above, i have nothing against the BMW, I was just hoping for their latest and greatest premier level bike, the finish would be better. I dont know how it rides, if the QS will have issues, if the engine has a dip etc etc. I havent rode it. I would just want a clean bike if i drop 24k on a bike.

I dont think you can go wrong with any bike on the market today. ALL really are pinnacles of the world. I am not sure any bike produces under 195hp anymore, the HP wars are on full bore. We live in such a great time for motorcyles. I hope that a friend will allow me to ride their new M after break in and they can ride my R and we can compare. Not sure the italian beauty will ever be dethroned as the best looking bike in finish, but i like competition

Biggest issue i have with my V4R, is everyone stopping me to talk about it. its fun, but oh so time consuming
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Originally Posted by scotman623 View Post
I have had my new V4R , Race build only since April 24th, Been on the Race Track 5 X now and I love the bike... I just picked up my New BMW S1000RR M package last weekend for Racing only too... I will give my unbiased opinion on what bike I like better on the track only, unfortunately probably wonít Race the BMW this season because I still need to get it Race ready per CCS- ASRA rules..I do plan on doing track days on it and also plan on testing both bikes back to back... Stay tuned..
Im sure i speak for everyone we look forward to the comparison.
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Originally Posted by scotman623 View Post
I have had my new V4R , Race build only since April 24th, Been on the Race Track 5 X now and I love the bike... I just picked up my New BMW S1000RR M package last weekend for Racing only too... I will give my unbiased opinion on what bike I like better on the track only, unfortunately probably wonít Race the BMW this season because I still need to get it Race ready per CCS- ASRA rules..I do plan on doing track days on it and also plan on testing both bikes back to back... Stay tuned..
I've got a deposit on one, but I read they're being recalled due to castings affecting oil flow from what I saw online. Hoping mine comes in this month. Please let me know what you think of it.

I'm hanging onto my 2016 S1000RR as I might be commuting a long way to work in the future, and might as well put the mileage on old faithful. I think I'm going to hold onto my R1M too for now. I'm fairly happy with the V4S, but it picked up some debris on the highway (cosmetic only) to the tune of $9K, so I'm staying off it until it's "pretty" again.

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I'm sad they got rid of the tail. The new tail looks terrible.
lights are in the fender if you take the fender off you have no lights. makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by mark419ny View Post
lights are in the fender if you take the fender off you have no lights. makes no sense.
Well, it does make track prep a little smoother if it's also a street bike.
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Originally Posted by scotman623 View Post
I have had my new V4R , Race build only since April 24th, Been on the Race Track 5 X now and I love the bike... I just picked up my New BMW S1000RR M package last weekend for Racing only too... I will give my unbiased opinion on what bike I like better on the track only, unfortunately probably wonít Race the BMW this season because I still need to get it Race ready per CCS- ASRA rules..I do plan on doing track days on it and also plan on testing both bikes back to back... Stay tuned..
How are you doing in CCS with that V4R? Were you at Summit Point?

As to the others, yes the recall is due to a tooling issue in one of the 3 factories that resulted in a run of engines not getting an oil hole drilled in the proper place.

The tail lights come completely off due to the track nature of the bike, ABS can also only be fully disabled with the tail lights off. NRC should have a tail tidy for it sometime in July-August from what I heard as well as turn signal block offs I'd imagine.

I've already had the little black shark fin fall off the bike as others have mentioned in videos--it's a little cheaply made there.

As far as the quickshifter goes, the BMW's is hands down better than the Ducati's. It lets you do anything and still shifts smooth as butter. The dash is better, the controls to use the dash and features are more intuitive.

The TPMS is something you can set levels on and I've had zero issues with it once you set the parameters, same thing with the shift light.

The Hayes brakes are just as good as the Ducati spec "Brembo's" on the V4S, new MC and pads and they shouldn't have any fade on the track. The suspension is Marzocchi and they are no slouch. People who generally bring up the brand names Ohlins and Brembo usually don't know that Ducati (and BMW, and every other brand) has lesser made parts by those companies designed for them to cut costs. A fork you order from Ohlins and an Ohlins fork that comes factory on a Ducati are not the same, even if they have the same "model number"

Honestly for under 22 grand, I don't think you can find a better option other than skipping the M Package and going with the Race for 19k. Some people like the CF wheel bling, but I'll break these CF wheels in the next year for sure...and I won't be able to weld them back to spec. I would have gone with the Race package if I would not have had to wait 2-3 months to get one. Hell, once the base package gets hacked you'll be able to buy a $16k bike, add every part the V4R has directly from Ohlins (FGRT, TTX GP), Brembo GP4 RX, full ti Akra exhaust, Marchesini M7RS wheels, upgraded rotors and you still are below the MSRP on a V4S.

V4R is a nice bike, don't get me wrong, but I think there's a bit of a premium on it, especially if you're going with a race kit (which why wouldn't you at that point?)...I'd rather own two RR's so I can bin one and get on the other at the track and not have down time.
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How are you doing in CCS with that V4R? Were you at Summit Point?

As to the others, yes the recall is due to a tooling issue in one of the 3 factories that resulted in a run of engines not getting an oil hole drilled in the proper place.

The tail lights come completely off due to the track nature of the bike, ABS can also only be fully disabled with the tail lights off. NRC should have a tail tidy for it sometime in July-August from what I heard as well as turn signal block offs I'd imagine.

I've already had the little black shark fin fall off the bike as others have mentioned in videos--it's a little cheaply made there.

As far as the quickshifter goes, the BMW's is hands down better than the Ducati's. It lets you do anything and still shifts smooth as butter. The dash is better, the controls to use the dash and features are more intuitive.

The TPMS is something you can set levels on and I've had zero issues with it once you set the parameters, same thing with the shift light.

The Hayes brakes are just as good as the Ducati spec "Brembo's" on the V4S, new MC and pads and they shouldn't have any fade on the track. The suspension is Marzocchi and they are no slouch. People who generally bring up the brand names Ohlins and Brembo usually don't know that Ducati (and BMW, and every other brand) has lesser made parts by those companies designed for them to cut costs. A fork you order from Ohlins and an Ohlins fork that comes factory on a Ducati are not the same, even if they have the same "model number"

Honestly for under 22 grand, I don't think you can find a better option other than skipping the M Package and going with the Race for 19k. Some people like the CF wheel bling, but I'll break these CF wheels in the next year for sure...and I won't be able to weld them back to spec. I would have gone with the Race package if I would not have had to wait 2-3 months to get one. Hell, once the base package gets hacked you'll be able to buy a $16k bike, add every part the V4R has directly from Ohlins (FGRT, TTX GP), Brembo GP4 RX, full ti Akra exhaust, Marchesini M7RS wheels, upgraded rotors and you still are below the MSRP on a V4S.

V4R is a nice bike, don't get me wrong, but I think there's a bit of a premium on it, especially if you're going with a race kit (which why wouldn't you at that point?)...I'd rather own two RR's so I can bin one and get on the other at the track and not have down time.
all good points... but what Neeves says at 6:03 applies.

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