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Old Jun 20th 2019, 10:42 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by CSV4 View Post
all good points... but what Neeves says at 6:03 applies.

As Jensen says...if that's your belief, I'm not going to be able to change it...but my belief is that there's more manufacturers than just Ducati that do that for me. I'm not blinded by the balsamic vinegar. I do realize I'm probably on the wrong forum to express that...but if you love bikes, or that feeling he's talking about and you only get it from Ducati's I do not think you've tested the waters of motorcycling as much as one might believe they have.
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You don't get those kinds of comments about an ugly bike, no matter how capable. The Ducati does give more in the way on qualitative experiences IMO.

Life is too short to ride an ugly bike. Period.
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Old Jun 20th 2019, 11:02 AM   #63
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Originally Posted by jpanigale View Post
Oh we're talking racebikes...I must be on wrong forum again...



^^^^^^^^^^^ Ducati V4 Hater . Was at your Favorite Duc shop this morning. They have a V4R with your name on it Unsold and ready for immediate delivery.
Could have been in my garage If you bought FeFe instead of that RC
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Old Jun 20th 2019, 01:33 PM   #64
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Darn 2019 manufacturers standings:

DUCATI 315
KAWASAKI 259
YAMAHA 214
BMW 97
HONDA 36

Guess this is a "racebike forum" after all? Even Cycle World voted it the best last year: https://www.cycleworld.com/best-supe...panigale-v4-s/

Means something I guess especially since the riders in India voted it #1 as well:https://www.drivespark.com/best-superbikes/

Visordown says the Panigale made the most HP: https://www.visordown.com/features/g...l-dyno-numbers

Looks like it made 16 more than the BMW.

I'm happy, you are happy we all are happy! Happy Riding!

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Old Jun 20th 2019, 05:43 PM   #65
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^^^^^^^^^^^ Ducati V4 Hater . Was at your Favorite Duc shop this morning. They have a V4R with your name on it Unsold and ready for immediate delivery.
Could have been in my garage If you bought FeFe instead of that RC
Oh the V4R that nobody wants below MSRP? I'm no math major but can do that math......I think.....

You love FeFe anyway.....
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Old Jun 21st 2019, 02:18 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by JHTmcrider View Post
Darn 2019 manufacturers standings:

DUCATI 315
KAWASAKI 259
YAMAHA 214
BMW 97
HONDA 36

Guess this is a "racebike forum" after all? Even Cycle World voted it the best last year: https://www.cycleworld.com/best-supe...panigale-v4-s/

Means something I guess especially since the riders in India voted it #1 as well:https://www.drivespark.com/best-superbikes/

Visordown says the Panigale made the most HP: https://www.visordown.com/features/g...l-dyno-numbers

Looks like it made 16 more than the BMW.

I'm happy, you are happy we all are happy! Happy Riding!
Let's put the horsepower numbers into perspective. The new V4, with 1100cc, made 16 more hp than the old BMW S1000RR model (1000cc). Given that an example 1000cc motorcycle makes 200hp, thats 20hp per 100cc. The 16 more hp is actually less than it should be considering displacement, all other things being equal.

The new BMW S1000RR (1000cc) is making more horsepower than the V4 (1100cc) according to this dyno which has tested both:

New BMW S1000RR - Well She Has Some Legs On Her !!!

The new S1000RR with the M package comes with carbon wheels and other upgrades for $5K less than the V4S and ~$1K more than the base V4. A new S1000RR without the M package is ~$3K less than a base V4.

I get it. This is a Ducati forum. I have a V4S and it's a great motorcycle. That doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to the rest of the motorcycle manufacturers. It certainly doesn't mean I compare a new model (V4) to the outgoing model of another maker.

The motorcycle market is very competitive. We all want the fastest bike, regardless of if we know what to do with it. Every time a new bike creates more horsepower, lessens weight and improves handling, it's a plus for all of us. It ensures the others step up (except Honda for some reason).

The new S1000RR supposedly has quite a bit of power that is limited by the stock exhaust, and nothing else. Time will tell.

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^You got some good points for sure. And you got a few bikes in the garage as well!
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Buy the bike you want - i did, twice. 1299rFE and 1199r.
Who cares what bike you get - its your bike, correct? (or the banks until you pay it off)
That BMW is really , really impressive.
I love my big thumping L2's. I bought a 40k L2 FeFe - that the V4R would and will beat around the track, along with the other bikes. In reality, i wouldn't ride the other bikes any faster than i would the others. Let's be honest maybe a handful of people really can. You try to reach the limits and capabilities of these bikes you have to be pro caliper.
Buy the bike you want at the end of the day numbers are just numbers. I run on the track with 15-16 year olds that will eat me alive on their ninja 400's and motards (two of which are moto-america Jr riders). So, until you can ride beyond the capabilities of these machines the all out numbers and functions these bikes produce are negligent.
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Originally Posted by JHTmcrider View Post
Darn 2019 manufacturers standings:

DUCATI 315
KAWASAKI 259
YAMAHA 214
BMW 97
HONDA 36

Guess this is a "racebike forum" after all? Even Cycle World voted it the best last year: https://www.cycleworld.com/best-supe...panigale-v4-s/

Means something I guess especially since the riders in India voted it #1 as well:https://www.drivespark.com/best-superbikes/

Visordown says the Panigale made the most HP: https://www.visordown.com/features/g...l-dyno-numbers

Looks like it made 16 more than the BMW.

I'm happy, you are happy we all are happy! Happy Riding!
And MCN loves the CBR1000sp....Hmmmmmmm....
Grape kool aid available half price today only...Comes with rose colored glasses too...
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Old Jun 21st 2019, 01:16 PM   #70
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V4S: 211 HP

S1000RR: 204 HP and some TT Wins

They picked the BMW.
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