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Old Nov 1st 2019, 05:21 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Paul G View Post
Looking at that, Id say there was a fair bit of desmosidici in the 2020 bikes
I dont see the relevance of the GP machine images in this context. All Ducati have done is slap the 2019 V4R fairings on the 2020 V4 and S models plus a few software tweaks and minor suspension changes. That is literally it.
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Old Nov 1st 2019, 07:03 AM   #52
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its mostly just styling cues when it comes to the street, wings? pretty much an affectation on a street bike. Width of fairings? Some relevance but again no one was complaining about the twins. Motogp is where all the trickle down is coming from and they dont build race bikes just to win on the track.
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Old Nov 1st 2019, 09:36 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by topolino View Post
All Ducati have done is slap the 2019 V4R fairings on the 2020 V4 and S models plus a few software tweaks and minor suspension changes. That is literally it.
Truer words have never been spoken. Mid-cycle updates on a budget.
Nothing new we haven't already seen from the R. Minimized manufacturing expenses by consolidating the bodywork of the entire lineup, likely the same scenario regarding the front frame.

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Motogp is where all the trickle down is coming from and they dont build race bikes just to win on the track.
Huh? The only "race bikes" they've built for the street are the R models due to homologation requirements, no?
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Old Nov 1st 2019, 11:07 AM   #54
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Truer words have never been spoken. Mid-cycle updates on a budget.
Nothing new we haven't already seen from the R. Minimized manufacturing expenses by consolidating the bodywork of the entire lineup, likely the same scenario regarding the front frame.
Spot on Ashes. I think there are always going to be individuals who are lulled into the notion that this years model is somehow leagues ahead of last years iteration. In this instance it's not so much a leap as a hop in improvements. Totally agree regards manufacturing costs. One set of fairing moulds fits all, job done. The "flex" in the 2020 V4/V4S front frame is simply where they cut two bloody great holes in it, as per the R, so even more component commonality. I imagine the accountants in Bologna are pleased. Three models sourced from largely one parts bin.
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Old Nov 1st 2019, 12:24 PM   #55
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Topo, its all about marketing and selling product. a Panigale is not a commuter its a "superbike" and people who buy them like to associate their bikes with track success. Win on Sunday sell on Monday is the age old adage.
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Old Nov 1st 2019, 12:24 PM   #56
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Seems as though people with 18/19 models are just trying to convince themselves why they are happy with what they have. Truth is they are all fantastic. Have an 18/19 and like the new look? Just purchase the new fairings. Easy.

The majority would prefer the new model over the old. It’s more aggressive looking, has an updated electronics package, and has inherited other features passed down from the R. It’s a better overall bike, regardless of whether you will benefit from the upgrades.
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Old Nov 5th 2019, 01:14 AM   #58
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Funny, by far the biggest complaint over the last two years has been the silver colour of the V4's main frame. Hardly a critical issue but clearly a source of discontent for...well...pretty much everybody. The second-most-urgent mod, after replacing the rear fender, has been to slap on a pair of expensive carbon frame covers just to black them out. Drum roll...the frame on the 2020 appears to be black (or dark grey I think I saw in a journo's review). I expected cheering in the streets, coverage on the 7 o'clock news, grown men weeping with joy. But I suppose if you've already bought one the change is equally annoying. Silent approval it is then.
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Old Nov 5th 2019, 07:50 AM   #59
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Seems as though people with 18/19 models are just trying to convince themselves why they are happy with what they have. Truth is they are all fantastic. Have an 18/19 and like the new look? Just purchase the new fairings. Easy.

The majority would prefer the new model over the old. Itís more aggressive looking, has an updated electronics package, and has inherited other features passed down from the R. Itís a better overall bike, regardless of whether you will benefit from the upgrades.
You can also have the evo 2 software installed at the dealer so you can have a 2020 spec minus the frame easily.
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If they made a Corse with those winglets....yowzers!
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