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Old Jan 8th 2018, 10:45 AM   #31
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Im guessing Air bags will soon start becoming mandatory in the higher level classes and start filtering down.

Happened with the HANS device. Everybody complained about the $700 price for ages, later it became law and it just become another item you had to get.
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Old Jan 8th 2018, 12:23 PM   #32
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Is anyone interested in the A* option? It seems everyone is mentioning Dainese and external options but I guess this is pretty new still to the US market.

These external vest options ARE cheaper than the integrated systems though which is definitely nice. Is it the look of them thatís currently off putting or the thoughts that the integrated is safer/a more complete solution?


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I've been looking at the A-stars option and I like it for a few different reasons..

1. I've ran a ot of A-stars gear over my racing career and like it. My current suit is the A-stars Atem, which has worked really well and held up respectably in a 95-100mph low-side.

2. The A-stars integrated component is a separate piece that zips into compatible suits. This is nice, so if/when you need to send it off for a recharge, you can simply remove it and send it out, leaving you with a functional suit sans airbag system.

3. The A-stars system has 2 charges vs. only 1 on the Dainese. So if you have a small get off early in the day, you can still continue and have the airbag for a 2nd go-round.

The flexibility and options has me leaning toward another A-stars as my next suit.
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Old Jan 8th 2018, 12:33 PM   #33
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With respect to running an A-stars suit without the airbag kit. Does the suit not
end up being hugely oversize with all the gear removed?
Just curious, as it sounds like a more favourable option to me.
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Old Jan 8th 2018, 12:42 PM   #34
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D-Air is several notches above anything else on the market, it's been tested for much longer, development with no compromises specifically for racing, and well-proven in MotoGP. The A*'s stuff is really a marketing exercise, the product itself is not on the same level. Making it an "add-on" and having two charges in it, are both things that are attractive for marketing purposes but in operational detail are actually detrimental to the function of it. There will be dozens of "air bag" suits and jackets on the market in the next 5 years, with the companies knowing that a large percentage of buyers think "air bag = good", and aren't going to pay attention to the actual operation of the system. In reality, proper fit is the single most important aspect, and the D-Air system being fully integrated in the suit allows a proper fit.
Eh, I think that might be a bit of a harsh estimation of the A-stars option. I mean, it's still an integrated piece that only works in compatible suits, so it's more or less made to fit into a custom/specifically designed suit. Also, it so closely mimic'd the Dainese airbag system, that Dainese sued for patent infringement in Germany and won. A-stars is no longer able to sell the airbag system in Germany. Must be a decent system if it's basically the same tech as the D-air.

The D-air system is likely a better product overall, sure, but the cost is a lot to swallow all at once. Being able to stage the purchases as an optional component is an attractive option for potential consumers as well.
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Old Jan 8th 2018, 12:46 PM   #35
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With respect to running an A-stars suit without the airbag kit. Does the suit not
end up being hugely oversize with all the gear removed?
Just curious, as it sounds like a more favourable option to me.
Wondering this myself and has me hesitant to pull the trigger. I believe the tech air vest has a built in back brace and if you were to use a standalone brace like we already do now, it would be a similar/close fit.

Would like to try it all on with vest off/on and see what it's like, but don't know anyone nearby that has one I can try.
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Originally Posted by MotoX183 View Post
Wondering this myself and has me hesitant to pull the trigger. I believe the tech air vest has a built in back brace and if you were to use a standalone brace like we already do now, it would be a similar/close fit.



Would like to try it all on with vest off/on and see what it's like, but don't know anyone nearby that has one I can try.


From all the media Iíve read/watched about fit is you donít go up a size to fit the vest. Apparently itís similar to putting a chest protector in...not really noticeable once itís zipped up.

I also like the A* option because of the staged purchase makes it an easier pill to swallow and even though itís not really the point, it even looks better as integrated vs external.

I didnít know about the lawsuit and that is a pretty big point back in favor of the A* system. I can also get behind the point of itís only available for very specific suits so that makes the argument about fit/function more even keeled as well.

Jarel brings up great points which is exactly what I was hoping to do-start a healthy discussion about the suits/technology.

Itís a lot of $ to spend if youíre doing a Mugello or Spidi or Rev it or A*. Especially getting into the sport and having to buy so much gear at once makes it feel incredibly expensive (especially to my wife...perhaps I should stop talking to her about it and just chat with you guys instead!)

Iíd like to feel really confident with my purchase on safety, fit and style because Iíll likely be stuck with it for a few years. Every one has opinions that I can understand the logic and Iíve heard things about ďjust go buy an AGV suitĒ to ďget a D-Air for $2.5kĒ

Iím starting to get lost as to what I should do but itís a double edged sword because I love quality conversation on topics such as these! Help!

Cost wise a suit with external seems the best, safety wise an integrated suit is best. Is it best to purchase overseas to get a higher quality suit for the lower overall cost?


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Originally Posted by MotoX183 View Post
Eh, I think that might be a bit of a harsh estimation of the A-stars option. I mean, it's still an integrated piece that only works in compatible suits, so it's more or less made to fit into a custom/specifically designed suit. Also, it so closely mimic'd the Dainese airbag system, that Dainese sued for patent infringement in Germany and won. A-stars is no longer able to sell the airbag system in Germany. Must be a decent system if it's basically the same tech as the D-air.

The D-air system is likely a better product overall, sure, but the cost is a lot to swallow all at once. Being able to stage the purchases as an optional component is an attractive option for potential consumers as well.
I'm not saying the A* system is "bad", just that it's not as good as D-Air. How much of a gap there is is up for debate, and A* will certainly win the marketing war since they're marketing Ninjas and Dainese are marketing pre-schoolers. The actual bag is not the same tech as D-Air, it's an offshoot of their failed prior Tech-Air product that was so bad they pulled it. Imagine having a big balloon wrapped around you, when you land on one side the air is pushed over to the other side and you get very little actual impact protection. That's how it worked. They knew that wasn't going to fly for long, so they tried to copy the D-Air fiber-reinforced bag technology, and got sued. Now they've changed it by sewing channels into the bag to keep it from overinflating, creating air channels instead. It's still not anywhere near as elegant as the D-Air bags. The D-Air bags inflate across the entire surface area of the bag, but only inflate to a specified thickness due to the internal fiber reinforcement. This is the big deal, and the main patent and it was a brilliant design.

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Jarel, thank you very much for that more detailed explanation. That makes a lot of sense.
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Do you still need a separate back protector with D-Air and A* bag systems?
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Do you still need a separate back protector with D-Air and A* bag systems?
Yes, the D-Air suits come with the specific Dainese back protector that the suit is designed to work with. You can optionally wear a supplemental chest protector as well (I do).
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