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Old Aug 15th 2014, 09:22 AM   #1
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Smile How it does, what it does (RapidBike)!!!

Admins: as much as I love the forum, I don't like to create a pissing contest here however, more I read about RB vs PCV , I felt like I should light up a few good points of RapidBike systems as it seems that some people simply just don't have enough info. My purpose is not to come out here as a sales man and promote. So feel free to remove it if you should decide this is an inappropriate post!. or make it permanent

Let’s look at if from pricing point and since Dynojet products are heavily discounted I am not going to go into “I can get it cheaper” discussion.
All pricing is for 2013 Panigale 1199
PCV: $399.95
Autotune dual channel: $399.99
Ignition module: $359.95
Note: PCV does NOT allow adjustment of the closed loop area on this model.
TOTAL: $1159.89
*Now, you have 5 different modules with 5 different wiring harnesses
*What is the most complained area of the RPM range on our bikes , low to mid range throttle opening, throttle on/off transition, slow speed ridebility ( feel free to add here…. )
Since PCV will not and can not adjust your closed loop area, you would have to get a some sort of ECU flash about $300 so the cost of having your set-up is
$1459.89 + cost of labor.
and to adapt wide band sensors, you will need to remove your exhaust pipes and get 18mm O2 sensor bungs welded (added expense)

*We still need a VERY experienced dyno tuner to do following,
1- Establish your base map for individual cylinders, funny thing is for some bikes, perfect dyno chart is a perfect dyno chart for the bike that is sitting on the dyno machine, so what we tell people is go out and ride it for couple of hundred miles and let us know how it feels, not only you will come back with a smile in your face but you will notice that the bike is actually running like it should have been right out of the box.

2- Ask any dyno operator, creating a proper ignition map is not only difficult but it is very hard on bike too, for example, while the operator is holding your precious @ 9000 RPM entering plus or minus values in to that particular cell, while keeping the engine temp at certain number and hoping that the rear tire will last because this process has to be done at 5-100% from 2000 rpm to 11000 rpm. And DynoJet 250i dyno machine can not display hp and torque while you are holding the rpm and throttle constant at any given time, so you have to do a sweep test and hope that your 20% throttle is actually 20% throttle on the computer screen (flybywire) without stressing the bike and overheating.

3- All of Dyno jet products come with 1 year warranty and PCV, PCV ignition modules are in plastic cases and not waterproofed.

4- When and if you have a problem with the bike, related or not with the PCV , it is going to be very time consuming to remove the entire system and turn on the O2 sensors, should your friendly local Ducati dealer blame your problem on PCV or simply they require of removal of the system for trouble shooting for warranty purposes or some other reason…

5- Ignition module plugs in to the ignition coils which is very inconsistent (we are talking about peak primary voltage not 12vdc) and high voltage source to pick up a signal,
Enough with that……………………………………………


RAPIDBIKE (RB)
First off except for older harleys and some other older bikes, if you see 4 wires coming out of your O2 sensor it is an heated type, and RB starts to adjust after the O2 sensor gets to the operation temp.

Narrow band O2 sensors work between the range of 0 to 1 volts (0 to 1000mvolts) and the 14.7:1 range is usually 600-800 mvolts, however this changes from brand to brand and calibration at the factory.

RB default mode is 13.2 :1 (for now let say we can not change that, well, we can but more on this subject later) and the system looks for that voltage range , actually to make it easier lets say 700 mv is 14.7:1 ok? In the settings of software , auto adaptivity tab, at the top there is an adjustment that is 42 for Panigale that number represents calibration figure from RB Italy for the particular O2 sensor used on 1199, other bikes are different, RB divides 0 to 1000 mv in 50 segments/ slices . 1000 divided by 50 is 20 mv and this is a very sensitive adjustment.
So , anytime RB sees 700 mv on O2 sensor, it makes an adjustment , when the voltage is out of range where lets say 200mv (lean) , RB immediately sends a percentage of fuel (specified in software and can be adjusted) to bring the voltage up to 700mv range, it does that but not so precisely (where wideband makes an exact adjustment ) to bring the number back up to 700 mv range then starts making precise adjustments (Remember RB can read as little as 20mv of difference) that is why it takes a little longer for it to make a perfect trim map but it usually around 200 miles initially after installing RB. And if you have ever stood on a dyno machine and watched the wide band sensor dance around all the time? Even slight throttle closing, blipping the throttle will make a change but this is really not the case with RB system. And all this happening in the background the ECU does not have to be flashed or requires removal of the O2 sensors. You still get the best efficiency and the power at the same time also remember this is for both cylinders individually and the changes are being applied constantly.

Ignition mapping is done! No need to stress out your bike on the dyno
2 years of warranty, direct replacement, unit is in aluminum casing and waterproof, if there is a problem with the module, it is a direct replacement, if there is a problem with the bike RB related or not, we offer a bypass plug that eliminates the removal of the wiring harness also helps greatly with troubleshooting and great for before and after dyno runs. RB Racing uses crank position sensor for Ignition mapping, low voltage, consistent and simple 1 plug sensor.
RB Racing: $890
RB Evo: $680
Free shipping (fedex 2 day ground)

Also, RB modules can be reprogrammed and used on a different bike, no programming fee, only thing you need is a different harness for the new bike.
Racing and Evo harnesses are same for 1199, S, R, 899

If you need a Quick shift , the system is ready no need to buy additional module to make it work, we sell the sensor that plugs in and can be used/ programmed to work either way GP or normal shift pattern. EDIT: This is just an option, you don't have to do anything with your factory shifter when you purchase a RB System and it does not interfere with any of your Quick shift function, Engine braking and traction control functions.

Free software can be downloaded and will contain not only Ducati maps but entire collection of Rapidbike systems and automatically updates it self along with firmware of the module itself.

I will post some screen shots of the software later. The end user software is a little simpler than the Pro software , dealers get the Pro software.

Please ask if you have any questions! I may not answer right away but I will do my best.

Another note is that there is a RapidBike USA website , www.rapidbikeusa.com and they do not represent Dimsport RapidBike. They used to sell older versions of RapidBike modules but that has stopped in 2009 so please if you need more info you can either go to our Official RapidBike web site www.rapidbike.us or e-mail us : info@rapidbike.us you can also go to www.dimsport.com to verify who the USA distributor is.

thanks for reading.
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 09:41 AM   #2
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I have the PowerVision solution for my Harleys and it is the best product for those bikes. But the PV does not work on the Ducati.

Great to learn about the differences between the PCV and PB.
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 09:44 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by wachuko View Post
I have the PowerVision solution for my Harleys and it is the best product for those bikes. But the PV does not work on the Ducati.

Great to learn about the differences between the PCV and PB.
It actually does! DynoJet is a great company with great products, along with Bazzaz. We just wanted to bring out some of the great points of RapidBike systems.
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 10:06 AM   #4
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Thanks, I'm think I'll go with RB, what's the diff' re EVO & Race module
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 10:09 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by sean999r View Post
Thanks, I'm think I'll go with RB, what's the diff' re EVO & Race module
Racing adds: ignition mapping, pit lane switch, engine braking (N/A for the panigale) Map switch.

everything else is same as EVO including wiring harness as well.
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 10:22 AM   #6
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I went with the PCV and Autotune route mostly because the championship bikes here all run PCV and I am not aware of RapidBike tuning centres here (South Africa). Thanks for the informative compare.
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Old Aug 15th 2014, 10:43 AM   #7
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i wish i had gone with the RB module, instead of the tuneboy - too much effort.

gotta hget the other headers installed with the wideband sensors...


but - you get a cruise control and promises like app connection and stuff like that (maybe in 2017?)


do i understand that correctly, the RB works with WB and NB O2 sensors?

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Originally Posted by Phl View Post
i wish i had gone with the RB module, instead of the tuneboy - too much effort.

gotta hget the other headers installed with the wideband sensors...


but - you get a cruise control and promises like app connection and stuff like that (maybe in 2017?)


do i understand that correctly, the RB works with WB and NB O2 sensors?

thanks,
Here is my own set up:
Rexer flash
Rb Racing with my tuning modules

This was about a year ago and we weren't too familiar with the product (and this is how we started all this) and ordered my tuning modules along with RB racing, It works amazingly well BUT if I knew, what I know now about RapidBike, I wouldn't have bothered with My tuning modules unless I was hardcore racing it (maybe) . Imagine the time and money I have spent

seeing that the system really works well. (I am sure couple of people here will chime in ) . So I don't think most people will need the "My Tuning Modules" unless every weekend is a race weekend in a different zip code and you would like to create a different maps different fuels and such....

By the way typical installation on RB Racing takes us around 2.5-3 hours (we charge 2 hrs flat. )
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Hi Yaman
Thanks again for all your help/ customer service with my Rapid Bike Race and Quick shifter purchases ..


Best wishes

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RB can it re-set service / oil check light
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