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Old Jul 12th 2016, 06:13 PM   #11
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They shed, that looks like my drain plug after my first oil change at 600 miles, I broke it in like I ride it. Second change less than 1/4 of the debris. My 525 KTM was the same, it goes away. Don't forget these things have a wet clutch and that puts a ton of crap in the oil.

If your tracking it I would drop the oil and filter after every weekend, just like any race engine.
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First of all I have had 3 of the 1299 motors apart and rebuilt so far for projects we are working on. Not one of them had anything that looked like this.
1 your going to get casting ,material from the cases in there every once in a while. This is not magnetic material. Secondly, friction disc material if it contains any metallic material will be micron size particulates. If your drain plug has a lot of mm size magnetic particles it could be casting material from non machined steel parts but I have only seen this on machinery that was poorly controlled. Lastly that oil looks black as night. My oil does not look a whole lot different drained than when it went in. This whole acceptance of things that are not acceptable in other environments is a bad deal for Ducati. Case in point is all the complaints about the discolored hydraulic fluid. This is just shitty QC. I change the oil every 1k miles regardless.
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Old Jul 12th 2016, 09:51 PM   #13
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These bikes do tend to shed more metal particles than the Jap bikes, and the factory oil change intervals are too long - I changed my oil at 100 and 500 miles. That pic is an extreme case
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Old Jul 13th 2016, 12:59 AM   #14
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These bikes do tend to shed more metal particles than the Jap bikes, and the factory oil change intervals are too long - I changed my oil at 100 and 500 miles. That pic is an extreme case
Extreme is an understatement. I have had many models of yama r1s all which were used at the track, and treated the same way. None of them had anything like this. Not even any of my motocross bikes look anywhere near this and they do get abused. I was a mechanic at yamaha/honda dealership and saw a lot of things, and this sort of thing usually triggered alarm bells.
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Old Jul 13th 2016, 09:31 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by onthegaz View Post
That looks exactly like mine did on my 2nd oil change @3.5Kmiles.
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the amount of metal is slightly more than what I got from my second oil change.

the problem I see is the size of the metal pieces . also the shape seem angular or more precisely acicular and look long like the tips of gears broke off.

normally what you find is shavings almost powder .

Metal on sump plug-powder8.jpg


acicular ^
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Old Jul 13th 2016, 11:35 AM   #17
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Bottom line is Ducati does not use the same material heat treat alloys or machining process as the japs. Cook Nielson almost had to scrap his AMA Superbike Ducati because of soft shitty gear material in his 900SS. Luckily an Indy car guy stepped in and built him a real cluster and the rest was history.
When you listen to these engines run they sound like they're eating themselves up. I believe most of that material is coming off the cam drive.
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The Italians produce engines differently IMO. This includes their RC car engines that run on nitro. I recall racing RC cars and although the Italian motors produced greatest power and was known for excellent short term performance, they would die suddenly without notice and unable to restart, even with new glow plug, prompting a motor changeout.
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First of all I have had 3 of the 1299 motors apart and rebuilt so far for projects we are working on. Not one of them had anything that looked like this.
1 your going to get casting ,material from the cases in there every once in a while. This is not magnetic material. Secondly, friction disc material if it contains any metallic material will be micron size particulates. If your drain plug has a lot of mm size magnetic particles it could be casting material from non machined steel parts but I have only seen this on machinery that was poorly controlled. Lastly that oil looks black as night. My oil does not look a whole lot different drained than when it went in. This whole acceptance of things that are not acceptable in other environments is a bad deal for Ducati. Case in point is all the complaints about the discolored hydraulic fluid. This is just shitty QC. I change the oil every 1k miles regardless.
damn, every 1k miles?!
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Originally Posted by onthegaz View Post
Extreme is an understatement. I have had many models of yama r1s all which were used at the track, and treated the same way. None of them had anything like this. Not even any of my motocross bikes look anywhere near this and they do get abused. I was a mechanic at yamaha/honda dealership and saw a lot of things, and this sort of thing usually triggered alarm bells.
Yep - my ZX-10R had next to nothing on the magnet during break in, same with any Honda or Yamaha I've owned

What viscosity are you running? I tend to think these engines need 10w-50 or perhaps a blend with a couple of quarts of 20w-50 (synthetic of course)
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