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Old Feb 6th 2018, 06:08 AM   #11
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Tire Warmer truth/myth

I actually asked Pirelli directly what they recommend since their website only specifies 50 mins at 80 C. But it doesn't say how often, or if it should drop in temp if you're warming every hour. I'll let you guys know if they respond back.


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Old Feb 6th 2018, 06:16 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by JackAttack View Post
I actually asked Pirelli directly what they recommend since their website only specifies 50 mins at 80 C. But it doesn't say how often, or if it should drop in temp if you're warming every hour. I'll let you guys know if they respond back.


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Looking forward to hearing what the manufacturer themselves say. I wouldn't be surprised if they respond with the same 50min@80C though. A different response could put them at risk. Big companies like Pirelli don't like risk.

Thanks for reaching out to them directly! Either way, I'm eager to hear their response.
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Old Feb 6th 2018, 07:16 AM   #13
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Think you are perhaps trying to look at this a little too deeply.

Any decent quality warmers, regardless of single or dual temp, will be worth buying/using
compared to not running any at all. As has already been pointed out, you not only get
more "up to speed" time each track session, but you also improve your tyre life.

I started using single temp warmers a few seasons ago, with the superscorsa sp
(which are just road tyres). The use of the warmers doubled the rear tyre life.
Confidence improved and consequently lap times.
Changed to the sc compounds and the cycle continued. Now I'm on slicks.

A lot of the progress was made due to being able to have confidence from first lap, instead
of building up for the first 1/4 of each session. The tyre life came from having a relatively constant
starting temp on which to base tyre pressures.

You are going to take a little while to get used to the regime of heating and pressure
control, so primarily one set temp will probably be easier for you to deal with.
Having two temps will require you to establish two sets of parameters. For me at least,
it took me maybe 2 sets of tyres to find where I needed to be with temp/press to
have a base which would then allow me to dial in suspension a little more and not have
tyres tearing up prematurely.

Buy a decent set of single temp warmers, get used to what they can do for you and
run for a season. If you need dual temps, buy them next season and keep your single
temps for back up wheels etc.
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Old Feb 6th 2018, 11:33 AM   #14
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I do track days and I use tire warmers.
I get my track day tires used off the team racers.
Now my warmers are digital type so set the temp and forget. Even thou our amb. and track temps are high, when sessions are timed base, taking 2-3 laps to warm tires up eats in to session time.
To have you tires are correct temp and pressure before you hit track is a big positive.

Then you just have to ride hard enough to keep heat in the tires..........
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To have you tires are correct temp and pressure before you hit track is a big positive.

Then you just have to ride hard enough to keep heat in the tires..........
^^^Instead of slowly destroying the tire getting it to temp!
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Originally Posted by DStyleNZL View Post

Then you just have to ride hard enough to keep heat in the tires..........
This is the fun part!
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Originally Posted by DStyleNZL View Post
I do track days and I use tire warmers.
I get my track day tires used off the team racers.
Now my warmers are digital type so set the temp and forget. Even thou our amb. and track temps are high, when sessions are timed base, taking 2-3 laps to warm tires up eats in to session time.
To have you tires are correct temp and pressure before you hit track is a big positive.
I'll have to stop my laziness and start using a set.
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Originally Posted by DStyleNZL View Post
Then you just have to ride hard enough to keep heat in the tires..........

That shouldn't be a problem, heh




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Old Feb 6th 2018, 04:13 PM   #19
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actually you never mentioned your pace if you are getting these to ride slicks you need to be riding pretty hard to keep the temp in them.
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Old Feb 6th 2018, 07:12 PM   #20
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No I havenít used tyre warmers because they were a luxury I could not afford,however I did race in the Australian Superbikes Series at the highest possible level for a few years,so I do know a a bit about getting tyres to grip, I think my point is ,whatís the hurry to go so quick on a practice/ride day?Fuck me ,tossers I say,stop fucking around and ride the fucking thing!!going quick on cold tyres is part of the art of racing and tyre warmers are no substitute for a few laps to make em work.
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