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Old Feb 7th 2018, 01:27 AM   #31
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It's getting a bit heated, I think I might grab a beer and go into the garage and stare at the bikes. I'm only in the medium fast group because I don't want to be in the way of the fast guys and I'm not playing for cattle stations on my ride days, been around a while but too old and takes so long to heal now days even ribs are now an involved process.

I don't pretend to be super fast now and actually let it be known I never was, If people are happy with warmers let em do it the less time sitting in the fucking heat because some nob has crashed on the first lap and needs Medics the better.
Yeah i'm hearing ya, i was never fast either, i said i was in the same race as those blokes back when i was a young fella, i never said i got anywhere near them,i just think some people carry on a bit and over analyze shit too much, thats all, and ya right ,if it makes em happy thats gotta be a good thing i suppose.
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Old Feb 7th 2018, 03:08 AM   #32
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Warmers really depends on tires and what you're looking for. In my experience, Supercorsa SPs really don't like warmers. They get overheated waaay too fast. I cooked a set in 20 minutes, which is why I moved to SC2s. On my local track we have 6 hard braking zones which could be taken reasonably straight, so my front tire is up to temp after my outlap anyways. My rear tire is somewhat wiggly until a lap and a half, but after that it's like glue. I see the use for warmers for racing, but for trackdays it's not necessary. I guess there is more of an issue with harder carcass tires that otherwise would need more work to get up to temps (Dunlops for example), but Supercorsas really does not need warmers for trackdays in my experience.
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Old Feb 7th 2018, 03:11 AM   #33
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One other point I forgot that was mentioned by @reganc

8) With slicks and even with warmers you need to keep your pace up to keep the heat in them. They’re not for cruising around and do not come up to temp and hold temp like DOT street tires.
I was quite reluctant to move up the tyre tree as it were, even when I got
used to running the warmers and the lap times had started to improve over the season, for exactly this reason.
I just spoke to a few of the quicker guys around the paddock who were known
to be cool with advice. They basically gave me some rough times for the circuits
we were running, and said "consistantly under this time and you will benefit with xxx tyres",
otherwise you wont keep them warm enough while riding.

Obviously riding styles and levels of aggression differ, but their recommendations were spot on when
taking carcass temps on return to the pits. Maybe I was too cautious overall,
but you dont bounce as well in your 50s, and panis aint cheap to mend.

At the other end of this warmer conversation are the guys who are in the slow
and inter groups who are running slicks with no warmers and are in the trailer
of shame every weekend, yet still dont learn that they maybe need a little
advice/common sense.
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Old Feb 7th 2018, 03:38 AM   #34
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Jesus Fens how did you know my dick was small ? Put you right on a couple of other things ...you were racing in the 90's , Id allready retired from my sporting career by then, represented Australia 5 times, raced professionally for two Italian teams at world level for two years. Yes now currently racing the Pani at interstate A grade level and even did a round of ASBK . A podium at Mugello last year , I grew balls years ago, but thanks for the advice.
So you raced top level in Aus , you should know how deadly slicks are below operating temperatures . And how difficult to even maintain temps off warmers when ambient temps are low. To insinuate to other readers here, looking at improving their track experience, that they arent man enough because they think using warmers might be a good idea is ridiculous . A set of cheap arse warmers start at $300 bucks . About the same as an SC rear.
4-6 days, warmers would save 1 tire by mitigating heat cycles or cold tear. If you or the readers are on road tires in slower ride day groups , different story.
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Old Feb 7th 2018, 06:36 AM   #35
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Ok everyone, so Pirelli actually got back to me with a response! Here is their direct statement;

When there is a window of 90 minutes or more without using the tires, just put the warmers on low or shut them off. But don’t take the warmers off the tires.
Please follow the warmer directions once again when you are going to go back on the track, (80c for 50min).

Any time the window is smaller than 90 minutes just keep them hot on the warmer.

-end quote

So, for the most part, theyre going to be on hot the entire track day. I'd have to double check but lunch might be the only time where they're hanging around over 90 mins.


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Hey you guys are all amazing it's like going to motorcycle uni all advice is appreciated and respected cheers ride safe

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Old Feb 7th 2018, 08:14 AM   #38
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This smells a bit!
I haven't brushed my teeth yet

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As this V4 base model will be first purchase from dealership eyes and ears open mouth shut to all advice cheers ride safe

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Originally Posted by able duc View Post
This smells a bit!
Try not to be so cynical everyone here seems to be more knowledgeable/more successful/ and more skilled I'm winging it cheers

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