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JackAttack Feb 1st 2018 02:45 PM

Tire Warmer truth/myth
 
Started this post in a bike specific forum but believe it belongs here. My backstory is that I've been track riding for years without warmers and finally looking to buy some. But I have been stumped on single vs dual vs digital versions. Does it really matter.
So, I've heard from a very repected source that the warmers should be left on high all day. Therefore, that eliminates the need for a dual temp warmer except if you're riding on a cold day or rain in which your not getting up to the 180 degree range and therefore should use the lower setting. This second part is my own deduction from learning they should be left on high all day. What do you guys think?
My next question is...are there any warmers that can actually be left on all day??? The ones I've seen all say to not run for more than 4 hours. I'd rather not take them off the warmers during lunch and create another heat cycle when I could just leave them on all day...


-Jack

fens Feb 5th 2018 08:39 PM

If your not racing why do you want tyre warmers?,racers use them to go quick on the first lap,track day riders with tyre warmers are just wankers with too much money, it takes no more than a couple of laps to get your tyres warm,save ya money and buy some performance goodies.

Whoopazz Feb 5th 2018 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fens (Post 301450)
If your not racing why do you want tyre warmers?,racers use them to go quick on the first lap,track day riders with tyre warmers are just wankers with too much money, it takes no more than a couple of laps to get your tyres warm,save ya money and buy some performance goodies.

There is no better performance goodie then a slick with proper warmers. Nothing will make you feel safer and faster at the track IMO. And no amount of HP will make you go faster then the limit of your tires. You must have not tried to ride with a set on fens. Bike feels like Velcro in all aspects. I changed from the aggressive trackday/street tire like a RS10 or SC V2 to a full Pirelli slick and there is absolutely no comparison. Iím in the advanced group.

Get some good dual temps I would say. On hot days you donít need to run them on full hot but just maintain the heat in your tires.

able duc Feb 5th 2018 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fens (Post 301450)
track day riders with tyre warmers are just wankers with too much money, it takes no more than a couple of laps to get your tyres warm.

hmmmmmmmm smells a little toss pot ish!

I don't use them on my track bike but only because of lazy fucker syndrome, but I think some of the very quick guys I share space with would probably not agree with that and may want to hurt you.

Phl Feb 6th 2018 01:33 AM

no matter if racing or not, the ability to utilize track time as efficient as possible without the fear of crashing half way into the "warmup" on maybe cold, maybe hot tires...

priceless.

reganc Feb 6th 2018 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fens (Post 301450)
If your not racing why do you want tyre warmers?,racers use them to go quick on the first lap,track day riders with tyre warmers are just wankers with too much money, it takes no more than a couple of laps to get your tyres warm,save ya money and buy some performance goodies.

Are tire warmers not a performance goody as i get to rip straight out of the gate and not have to wait an lap or two before tires are up to temp.

Happy trolling.

Snk1199 Feb 6th 2018 03:21 AM

Further to allowing you to utilize track time to its full without risking a crash on your outlap as written above there are 2 reasons I use warmers:
1, You will prolong tyre life and maximize tyre performance by reducing the number of heat cycles - warming and cooling of the rubber. So in the end you save money as warmers start at about half of the price of a pair of slicks or even lower, so they pay off quickly.
2, You are checking your tyre surface as you put on the warmer right after the session. I have found nasty crack in the rubber that stopped me from riding out again and risking a puncture.

Just the 2 cents from an anti-wanker when it comes to spending on tyres: I am yet to buy and ride on brand new tyres. I am using what wankers get off and can run similar times :-)

JackAttack Feb 6th 2018 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoopazz (Post 301455)
There is no better performance goodie then a slick with proper warmers. Nothing will make you feel safer and faster at the track IMO. And no amount of HP will make you go faster then the limit of your tires. You must have not tried to ride with a set on fens. Bike feels like Velcro in all aspects. I changed from the aggressive trackday/street tire like a RS10 or SC V2 to a full Pirelli slick and there is absolutely no comparison. Iím in the advanced group.



Get some good dual temps I would say. On hot days you donít need to run them on full hot but just maintain the heat in your tires.



I was also thinking about switching to slicks. I always wondered, how do you know when the tires are degraded without the tread depth indicators? Or do you just feel them go off? How many trackdays do you get out of a pair of SC2's would you say?


-Jack

Snk1199 Feb 6th 2018 04:14 AM

There are wear indicator holes in the slicks so you can check exactly the same way you do on road tyres.
You are about to go into a territory where many have been lost... Type of rider, level of skill, HP of bike, type of track, type of surface, temperature, pressure, suspension setup... Good luck :-)

FYI: I do 3-4 track days of 4-5 sessions on my already used slicks. Or 1 qualification + 1 race + 1 day. It is about half what others get out of them when they start using them new. And I switched to Bridgestones 2 years ago because they are very consistent even at the very end of their lifespan. And the wear indicators are set at a very safe level: even when they are totally gone, you can still finish a session or two. My experience with Pirellis is that they tend to lose grip exponentially towards the end.

The Avidmoto Feb 6th 2018 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JackAttack (Post 301079)
Started this post in a bike specific forum but believe it belongs here. My backstory is that I've been track riding for years without warmers and finally looking to buy some. But I have been stumped on single vs dual vs digital versions. Does it really matter.
So, I've heard from a very repected source that the warmers should be left on high all day. Therefore, that eliminates the need for a dual temp warmer except if you're riding on a cold day or rain in which your not getting up to the 180 degree range and therefore should use the lower setting. This second part is my own deduction from learning they should be left on high all day. What do you guys think?
My next question is...are there any warmers that can actually be left on all day??? The ones I've seen all say to not run for more than 4 hours. I'd rather not take them off the warmers during lunch and create another heat cycle when I could just leave them on all day...


-Jack

I used to leave them on high all day but after reading Jarel's post I am going to try his advice.

Jack, I will come find you and say "hello" at NJMP this year.


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