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Old Apr 20th 2018, 05:39 PM   #1
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First time on slicks

I've been track riding for 7 years or so and this week I'll be trying slicks and tire warmers for the first time. I think I have the tire warmer schedule worked out with another thread I posted but do you guys have any tips for the slicks? I have Pirelli superbike slicks SC1 front, SC2 rear. Some of my thoughts;

1. I'm used to taking it easy on the first lap, but now I probably need to keep the heat up, should I push hard on the first lap or like balls out hard to keep the temp?

2. I usually queue up on the pit lane when I wait for my session to start. If that happens, should I worry about my tires losing temp while I wait or is that unavoidable? Or should I wait until the session is hot and then join in so as to minimize time that the tires are sitting still without warmers?


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Old Apr 20th 2018, 05:54 PM   #2
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Push right away.

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Old Apr 20th 2018, 06:11 PM   #3
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I've been using SC2 DOT myself and they offer plenty of grips enough to do elbow dragging but I have a set of SC2 slicks.

What I am more "concern" is about the 60 rear tire throwing suspension little bit. Some of more experienced track friends said when they made the switch, bike felt awkward and strange.

I have suspensions dialed just right and perfectly. Dont want to mess it up. lol
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Originally Posted by youngR View Post
I've been using SC2 DOT myself and they offer plenty of grips enough to do elbow dragging but I have a set of SC2 slicks.

What I am more "concern" is about the 60 rear tire throwing suspension little bit. Some of more experienced track friends said when they made the switch, bike felt awkward and strange.

I have suspensions dialed just right and perfectly. Dont want to mess it up. lol


Damn, I just got my suspension tuned at the end of last season. We'll see


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Old Apr 20th 2018, 06:32 PM   #5
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Damn, I just got my suspension tuned at the end of last season. We'll see


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Old Apr 21st 2018, 08:31 AM   #6
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used slicks forever.. this is what i do.. before i leave my pit, i check each tire, make SURE they are hot.. (warmers fail, cords get unplugged etc), i never sit and wait at pit out, i leave when pit lane is open.. .. as soon as im on track, i am on the gas.. going slow will cool tires.. check pressures (often) as soon as you are off track and adjust.. slicks are not for slow riders, they will cool too much if you are a medium or slower rider.. front slick in particular.. anyway street tires are better in this case because they will stay hotter with less effort.. you said sc1 and sc2.. , amazing amazing grip.. but they wear quick.. if you are super fast you'll know these are fun tires.. .., if you are mid upper fast., maybe consider sc3 rear.. wears alot longer and you'll likely not notice the grip difference from sc1/2 until you get really fast.. .. dont forget tire pressures, critical.. next read tire wear patterns.. which is highly highly highly affected by suspension setup.. .. best of luck
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used slicks forever.. this is what i do.. before i leave my pit, i check each tire, make SURE they are hot.. (warmers fail, cords get unplugged etc), i never sit and wait at pit out, i leave when pit lane is open.. .. as soon as im on track, i am on the gas.. going slow will cool tires.. check pressures (often) as soon as you are off track and adjust.. slicks are not for slow riders, they will cool too much if you are a medium or slower rider.. front slick in particular.. anyway street tires are better in this case because they will stay hotter with less effort.. you said sc1 and sc2.. , amazing amazing grip.. but they wear quick.. if you are super fast you'll know these are fun tires.. .., if you are mid upper fast., maybe consider sc3 rear.. wears alot longer and you'll likely not notice the grip difference from sc1/2 until you get really fast.. .. dont forget tire pressures, critical.. next read tire wear patterns.. which is highly highly highly affected by suspension setup.. .. best of luck


Thanks man, good write up. One last really dumb question. The stickers on the tires, do i take them off or just leave them to get shredded on the first lap out?


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Choose slicks based on track temps not really based on how quick you ride .

Pressures are important as mentioned donít go balls out in the first lap treat the first lap as a warm up lap remember while your tyres have been on the warmers the rest of the bike is still cold .
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Stickers come off easy after you have heated them up on warmers.
Slicks will really reward you if you can manage them , otherwise they'll burn hole in your pocket. You made a good choice with sc1F and sc2R to start with. Cold days and cold track will suck the temp out of those really quick , so you have to stay on the pace !!!

Most important thing i have learnt is to understand what temps your tires are operating at for that particular day and how the temp chamges through the day. Big mistake is to set your warmers at 80 degrees and set your pressures at 34F and 27R then go out and your tires can only generate 50 degrees which will have pressures drop and you will get cold tear and destroy a tire in a few sessions.

If you can guess your temp on a cool day will give you an operating temp of 60 degrees , set your warmers at 60 and set your pressures to match 60 , then crank them up to 85 (this allows some cooling off getting on track and up to speed in the first couple of laps). Do your first session and get into pits on pace and check the temperatures .

First signs of cold tear put a couple of psi into the tire. Common mistake is to deflate the tire to generate more heat. This only spreads the contact patch and cools the surface rubber which then starts to break apart (cold tear). It does this because the tire is not hot enough for the compound to stay bonded together.

If on the other end of the scale the track surface is stinking hot , your setting track records, your getting excessive temperatures in your tires, you would be needing to go for a different compound i.e.; sc1 then sc0 in that order for the rear and move to an sc2 front (sounds the wrong way around ).

Read as much Dave Moss as you can find .
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Originally Posted by wilkson View Post
Choose slicks based on track temps not really based on how quick you ride .

Pressures are important as mentioned donít go balls out in the first lap treat the first lap as a warm up lap remember while your tyres have been on the warmers the rest of the bike is still cold .
Yeah the body and brain need to warm up too
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