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Old May 9th 2013, 09:27 PM   #1
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Removing engine/swingarm/suspension "holder"

Basically, I want to remove the engine/swingarm/suspension "holder," left and right sides. Powder coating and anodizing 'em.

I've removed all the other aluminum/silver-colored stuff from each side (kickstand, suspension linkage pieces, rearsets, etc.), but I was cautioned not to remove the last 2 pieces, the 2 "holders." Some say the engine will drop if they are removed; others say it could drop if the bike was bumped. Still others say the only way to remove them is to suspend the engine itself.

What's more, I can't even purchase the pieces online because the R, with the adjustable swingarm pivot feature, is different than the parts listed for the base, S, and Tricolore.

So...anyone taken this piece off without having to dissect the bike into 2 pieces? Anyone done it on the R?

BTW, since I don't have many pics of it, you can go to ProItalia's website and look up parts # 8291A431BA (page 71, position 12) and # 8291A441AA (page 89, position 20).
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Old May 13th 2013, 09:07 PM   #2
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another pic of the holder

I photoshopped the part in front of my foot by circling it with a blurry circle (sorry, that's the best circle I could come up with).

Again, it's the aluminum colored piece in front of and slightly above my toes. This part of it aims straight up toward the shock linkage piece.

I know it's not the greatest view of the item, but just try looking at your 1199, where all the other aluminum colored stuff attaches (rearset, shock linkage, rear-lower/rear-middle engine attaches).
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Old May 13th 2013, 10:55 PM   #3
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i'll have to check but i'm sure you will have to support the engine which , in itself may very well require taking the termi off... i'm not sure it will support the engine whitout it getting damaged.. i should know by Friday if all is well..



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Old May 14th 2013, 07:40 AM   #4
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I already have the rear subframe "suspended." Do you think that would hold the engine up OR do you think it needs to be suspended separately?

If all else fails, I'm considering buying the 2 pieces, ceramic-ing them, then replacing each, one-by-one. Do you think I would still have to suspend the engine (in addition to the subframe already being held up) if I did them one at a time like that?
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Old May 14th 2013, 09:08 AM   #5
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from my understanding and what i have seen on the bike so far, if you suspend the bike on the rear and front sub frames, you should be able to take the pieces off. the motor itself is a structural part, so it will be holding everything together anyway...

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Old May 14th 2013, 02:08 PM   #6
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from my understanding and what i have seen on the bike so far, if you suspend the bike on the rear and front sub frames, you should be able to take the pieces off. the motor itself is a structural part, so it will be holding everything together anyway...

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So, the rear subframe is propped up securely. If the front is still attached to the fork tree--wheel planted on the ground--Phil, that should support the front of the engine, right?

Oddly, the R manual doesn't explain how to adjust the angle of the swingarm. Who knows whether this requires suspending the bike vs just gently easing up on or slightly compressing the suspension?

Think I should start a thread on how to adjust the swingarm angle? After all, if that's supposed to be a cool new advantage, somebody ought to know how to actually do it.
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i hear it's a 25 minute job ... but could be a very usefull thread! tx
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Old May 15th 2013, 09:24 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by kope999R View Post
i hear it's a 25 minute job ... but could be a very usefull thread! tx
If it's a 25 minute job, that must mean it's not too difficult. My question is when you release the pinch bolts how do you adjust the swingarm angle? Do you have to support the bike? Keep it from sagging? Lift it or hang it temporarily?

Of course all that leads back to my question, which is, if you release the pinch bolts and loosen the bolts connecting to the engine, Does the engine stay up or does it hit the ground?

By the looks of the large bolt going through the engine holder and through the swingarm, I'm guessing/hoping that removing the engine holder piece has no effect on the engine or the swingarm when the bike stationary. I just don't want to find out the hard way.
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-- if you adjust the swingarm, which is to help with settings depending on the characteristics of each track, does the chain need to be shortened or lengthened, or will simply adjusting it suffice ?

-- how intrusive would the change be in effecting street riding ?
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-- if you adjust the swingarm, which is to help with settings depending on the characteristics of each track, does the chain need to be shortened or lengthened, or will simply adjusting it suffice ?

-- how intrusive would the change be in effecting street riding ?
From what I understand, you don't need to do anything with the chain.

As for why to change the angle, it's more for the elite who notice a slight difference on certain tracks. Probably rarely an issue on the street; in fact, as far as I know, the manual doesn't even give instructions on how we can change the angle.

If you want to hear the technical jargon, Ducati says this about the adjustable pivot swingarm:

By moving the pivot of the swingarm up, the chain pull angle increases, thus extending the single rear shock absorber. In this way the rear dive effect while accelerating is reduced, and consequently the unabsorbed torque is returned to provide greater drive. Should there be poor grip or rain, the 1199 Panigale R allows the swingarm to be adjusted to use lower chain pull angles, which make the application of the torque more linear and so provide greater stability.
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