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Old Sep 1st 2014, 02:15 PM   #11
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Thanks Mark! Have you owned or ridden a RSV4 and if so can you compare it to the HP4? I'm thinking of getting off my Factory and on to a HP4.
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Old Sep 1st 2014, 02:27 PM   #12
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Thanks Mark! Have you owned or ridden a RSV4 and if so can you compare it to the HP4? I'm thinking of getting off my Factory and on to a HP4.
never had an aprilla. my friend loves the rsv4. i never road one. i can say this i can't even imagine 13k 14k 15k rpms ask white pani he had first service. hell he is 5640 and I'm 5641

you cannot go wrong with the bmw period. go over to the bmw forum read what they say. they don't bash the pani like people here do on the bmw. all they say here is the bmw is ugly. they don't say it doesn't perform they don't say its not fast they don't say its not comfortable. they may say its boring. i guess being silky smooth and knowing exactly what the bike is going to do every time is boring. the hp4 is a gorgeous bike. do i like the look of the 1199 better ehhh slightly but by no means is the hp4 ugly. that being said i wouldn't buy an s1000rr though so its the paint the carbon the wheels etc. i guess the bmw guys have nothing to prove they have been winning reviews since 2009 or 2010 i forget . when you have 3 years to develop a bike and can't beat it i mean can't come in second. i mean come in third you have to spout off and be defensive i understand.

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or you can read what bigboost said. he is spot on and has an amazing collection of toys by his signature.

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I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.
so you want the perfect 10 and thats understandable but i ask you. would you rather the perfect 10 model that only screws you sometimes and its in missionary. doesn't get along with your friends and nags you constantly and is constantly asking you for money.

or do you want the 9 that cooks during the football game for you and your friends, screws you everyday, wakes you up with a bj and goes to work in the morning.

oh unless you are big boost then he has all of the above
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its not a big deal really so what the bmw is a better performing cheaper more reliable flat out better bike. it doesn't mean that ducati is bad. far from it. most of us can't extract anywhere near the capabilities of the bikes out there. for those who can great. for those who can't get what you like.

obviously both are amazing bikes and we on this forum are lucky to have one or more of them. just cause my opinion is what it is and yours is what yours is (being general) doesn't mean either is wrong but to say the ducati is better than the bmw cause it looks nicer or the bmw sucks is flat out wrong.
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so you want the perfect 10 and thats understandable but i ask you. would you rather the perfect 10 model that only screws you sometimes and its in missionary. doesn't get along with your friends and nags you constantly and is constantly asking you for money.

or do you want the 9 that cooks during the football game for you and your friends, screws you everyday, wakes you up with a bj and goes to work in the morning.

oh unless you are big boost then he has all of the above
This man speaks the TRUTH! I haven't laughed this hard in a LONG time from a post..... You have a pretty damn good collection too!
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Mark, great to read the comparison! Hope you are having fun this weekend as well!

For anyone to comment that the HP4 is better looking proves the comments about what "Art is"

I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.


That is the understatement of the year!
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ones a harley rider and the other was the woman an older woman. i guess if they said the 1199 then it would all be ok but since they didn't its wrong too funny
Exactly!

Now, I totally appreciate your comparison and I do think you have valid points, Mark. But I have to disagree with you about the visual ratings of the bikes--and believe that a few components are missing from the comparison, at least from my experience riding (and staring at) both the S1000RR and the Panigale.






My first polite disagreement: looks. If the Panigale is a 10, the S1000RR is not even close to a 9. More like a 3.9. And I for one will choose to receive a BJ once a month from a 10 over whatever sex a 4 would beg me to have with her. Allow me to explain.

With a race fairing, the S1000 looks great. But the headlights are an uholy violation of every standard of beauty imaginable. Now, there's an argument that you can't argue about beauty. Except, that is, in one area: Symmetry.

Humans (and other species of mammals) find symmetrical patterns more attractive than asymmetrical ones. These preferences may appear in response to biological signals (1–3), or in situations where there is no obvious signalling context, such as exploratory behaviour (4,5) and human aesthetic response to pattern (6–8). It has been proposed (9,10) that preferences for symmetry have evolved in animals because the degree of symmetry in signals indicates the signaller's quality. By contrast, we show here that symmetry preferences may arise as a by-product of the need to recognize objects irrespective of their position and orientation in the visual field. The existence of sensory biases for symmetry may have been exploited independently by natural selection acting on biological signals and by human artistic innovation. This may account for the observed convergence on symmetrical forms in nature and decorative art(11).

1. Møller, A. P. Nature 357, 238−240 (1992). | Article | PubMed | ISI |
2. Swaddle, J. P. & Cuthill, I. C. Nature 367, 165−166 (1994). | Article |
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6. Berlyne, D. E. Aesthetics and Psychobiology (Appleton, New York, 1971).
7. Hubbell, M. B. Am. J. Psychol. 53, 46−69 (1940).
8. Musinger, H. & Kessen, W. Psychol. Monogr. 9, 1−24 (1964).
9. Watson, P. J. & Thornhill, R. Trends Ecol. Evol. 9, 21−25 (1994). | Article |
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11. Gombrich, E. H. The Sense of Order 2nd edn (Phaidon, London, 1984).

Because we select our mates (primarily visually), it is theorized that an optic bias towards symmetry is biological: symmetry = good genes, good health. asymmetry = bad genes, illness. Tons of data supports the theory that symmetrical faces are rated as healthier than less symmetrical faces. Furthermore, more symmetrical faces are perceived to be conscientious and agreeable, while asymmetrical faces (especially when the asymmetry is related to the eyes) rank high on the perceived level of neuroticism.

That a manufacture of motorcycles is oblivious to a large body of highly documented, scientific evidence that it could use to its advantage in selling motorcycles is marginally inexcusable. But you don't need science to tell you that the 'face' of the S1000RR = Uncle-Leo levels of bat shit-crazy, which s inexcusable from a design or business perspective. Now, I'm not saying that one should make a decision to buy a bike based on purely superficial reasons. But I find it completely justifiable for someone to NOT buy a bike (or car or phone or whatever) because they're physically repulsed by its appearance. In other words, if she's a great cook, well, make sure she stays in the kitchen and wears gloves before touching my food.

Italian designers have, for a very long time, that a machine can be far more than just a tool to do work. Historically they've understood that our minds and bodies have reactions to sights and sounds that are deep-rooted in our genes. It's what we generally call passion, but more precisely it's that Ducati make bikes with mammalian traits that stimulate our senses and get our blood flowing. And it's not just visual. Hook 100 humans up to electrodes and hormone monitors and 99 of them will experience an adrenaline rush in response to a Ducati snarling at idle; while the motor purrs at 4,000 rpm I imagine blood will reveal a chemical cocktail rivaling the best anti-depressants on the market; and as the purr turns to roaring growl as the engine ascends to redline, the various spectrometers will reveal a god-like mania of compounds surging through the heart and brain.

As for that 1 person out of the study who does not experience any of the above....well, now you know how BMW selects the head of their design team.

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Old Sep 2nd 2014, 04:18 AM   #19
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Never really understood why some bike manufactures, even if they do a symmetrical front end, they only turn on one headlight... always bothered me seeing bikes like that...well, still does.

Facial Symmetry and Attractiveness

The BMW is a very capable bike. Nobody is arguing otherwise. But BMW could have spent a bit more time to also make it a beautiful bike.

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Cool

Forgot to add the photos...



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