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Old Jun 27th 2015, 06:38 AM   #1
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2016 Panigale

Hi guys, has anyone heard what the 2016 Ducati Panigale will be for next yr? I have researched and can't find that much about what will be coming out. I'm curious to see if Ducati stays with the twin vs. the V4. Also if it will be a 1299 or something else. Thanks in advance.
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Probably because they just released the 1299. Can the buzz over the 1299 die or be enjoyed fully by owners and potential owners before Ducati works on announcing what's in the works for next year?

You'll hear about what's coming usually towards the end of the year when they start doing the motorcycle shows. Maybe just before that.
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Old Jun 27th 2015, 07:19 AM   #3
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The product cycles generally move in 3 year increments. The 1299 is a minor model change (face lift). An all new machine will be due or shown late 16/17.. My guess is that next time around and having learned their lesson from the lack luster results in racing, the Panigale replacemnt will more closely adhere to some of the proven track machines.. V4 ala mass market desmocedici? Perhaps..

In any case design development and close study is going on now. And I guarantee there are more than a few R1. And RR1000 being dissected in Borgo..
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Old Jun 27th 2015, 12:23 PM   #4
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The product cycles generally move in 3 year increments. The 1299 is a minor model change (face lift). An all new machine will be due or shown late 16/17.. My guess is that next time around and having learned their lesson from the lack luster results in racing, the Panigale replacemnt will more closely adhere to some of the proven track machines.. V4 ala mass market desmocedici? Perhaps..

In any case design development and close study is going on now. And I guarantee there are more than a few R1. And RR1000 being dissected in Borgo..
The 1299 wasn't a "face lift". It is a different motor, different electronics, addition of the IMU, Cornering ABS, and other rider aids and other small things like different footpegs, different bodywork, etc.

No, it isnt quite as different as the 1199 was to the 1198, but it is a new bike. Therefore, i dont see Ducati coming out with another new one anytime soon. I would be willing to bet we don't see a different Superbike model (replacement for the 1299) till 2018.

Lack luster results in racing? Since it came out the Panigale has been dominant in World Superstock (which is a true measure of the bike's natural abilities because they are raced in almost stock condition). And the Panigale has been on the Podium in almost every race in World Superbike this year...and that is without their main #1 rider being there most of the year due to injuries.

I don't see Ducati going away from their "bread and butter" Twin. But if they do, it will likely be a V4.
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Old Jun 27th 2015, 12:47 PM   #5
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I heard it was going back to a double sided swing arm, dry clutch, manual suspension, and air cooled engine again!
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Old Jun 27th 2015, 12:56 PM   #6
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I heard it was going back to a double sided swing arm, dry clutch, manual suspension, and air cooled engine again!
You got some of it, you are forgetting that it's going to be a 3 stroke v5 with KERS. This is FACT.
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Old Jun 27th 2015, 03:21 PM   #7
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2017 will be your best bet for a new bike. 2016 will be an iteration of the 1299 with maybe some minor tweaks.
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The 1299 wasn't a "face lift". It is a different motor, different electronics, addition of the IMU, Cornering ABS, and other rider aids and other small things like different footpegs, different bodywork, etc.

No, it isnt quite as different as the 1199 was to the 1198, but it is a new bike. Therefore, i dont see Ducati coming out with another new one anytime soon. I would be willing to bet we don't see a different Superbike model (replacement for the 1299) till 2018.

Lack luster results in racing? Since it came out the Panigale has been dominant in World Superstock (which is a true measure of the bike's natural abilities because they are raced in almost stock condition). And the Panigale has been on the Podium in almost every race in World Superbike this year...and that is without their main #1 rider being there most of the year due to injuries.

I don't see Ducati going away from their "bread and butter" Twin. But if they do, it will likely be a V4.
The shift was much more akin to 1098/1198
996/998 then it was to the large jump from 1098 to 1199!
Updated motor with more displacement but essentially the same..
Updated electronics but essentially the same..
Updated bodywork but essentially the same...
Yes some mild differences and new bits like foot pegs, but In no way an all new machine... In spite of what the p.r. and marketing dept would have us believe. The "all new" messaging is a very typical trick to bump sales. And I dont blame them. Our beloved company is up against some serious superbike completion in the marketplace this year!

And I'm sure Ducati had higher hopes for the Panigale in WSBK, I certainly did.. Yes-
Thankfully doing better this year but in no way as dominant as 998/ 999/ 1098 etc...

Totally agree with you on the v4 though.. Whatever replacement will be stunning weather it's a traditional L/twin or otherwise- and I'll more than likely get one whenever it shows itself.. Ultimately it will come down to sales and profit margins like all business decisions. As a group have been making more profitable moves lately.
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
The 1299 wasn't a "face lift". It is a different motor, different electronics, addition of the IMU, Cornering ABS, and other rider aids and other small things like different footpegs, different bodywork, etc.

No, it isnt quite as different as the 1199 was to the 1198, but it is a new bike. Therefore, i dont see Ducati coming out with another new one anytime soon. I would be willing to bet we don't see a different Superbike model (replacement for the 1299) till 2018.

Lack luster results in racing? Since it came out the Panigale has been dominant in World Superstock (which is a true measure of the bike's natural abilities because they are raced in almost stock condition). And the Panigale has been on the Podium in almost every race in World Superbike this year...and that is without their main #1 rider being there most of the year due to injuries.

I don't see Ducati going away from their "bread and butter" Twin. But if they do, it will likely be a V4.
One of the reason the Panigale is one of the best handling and flick able litre superbikes is it's extremely tight centre of gravity and low weight, putting a V4 in it will effect that and putting a more traditional frame in it will also do the same. Ducati are aware of this.

To be honest I really hope they just stay with 90deg twins for the next superbike or at the least do a 999 Panigale with a V4. It's a great bike and not much really needs to be done to it for the next bike, just improve the spread of power, decrease the weight further and improve the electronics and the obvious update the look.

That's a long way away anyways.
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I can't wait for the new 2018 Superbike from Ducati. I have already pushed my Panigale to its limit. I have a Gentleman's agreement with Rossi not to compete this year.

When I get it, I know it will be red and will more than likely have alot of electronic gizmos, probably stall and have an Akra exhaust that will be crazy expensive. It will also come in a base, "S" and "R" flavors.
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