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Old Oct 17th 2018, 07:51 AM   #1
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guilty of homicide

driver in Nicky Haden death found guilty in italy

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Old Nov 9th 2018, 06:10 AM   #2
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Wait , did I read this correctly.
He was only given one year of prison which is suspended, along with a loss of license?
Also, they are trying to appeal this?
I really hope I am misreading this.
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Old Nov 10th 2018, 02:22 AM   #3
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Wait , did I read this correctly.
He was only given one year of prison which is suspended, along with a loss of license?
Also, they are trying to appeal this?
I really hope I am misreading this.
That is true, but in Italy it's not an adverserial system where one is guilty and one is victim. In Italy in these cases guilt is assigned by the court to both sides by determining percentage of guilt. In this case the driver was speeding but Nicky Hayden blew through a stop sign. So guilt was probably assessed by the court to be 50/50. That's why the one year and loss of licence.

Also the term "homicide" specify that one human caused death of another human. Not necessarily a criminal act like murder or negligent homicide.
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Old Nov 10th 2018, 07:25 AM   #4
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Still mind blown with the easy let off.
In the United States it clearly states you must maintain control of your vehicle at all times.
If a child is to run into the street chasing his/her ball and you strike and kill the child you are promised jail time.
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Old Nov 10th 2018, 09:48 AM   #5
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Still mind blown with the easy let off.
In the United States it clearly states you must maintain control of your vehicle at all times.
If a child is to run into the street chasing his/her ball and you strike and kill the child you are promised jail time.
that is so not true at all. the entire reason why backup cameras are mandated on u.s. vehicles is because so many kids have been backed over by suvs where the parents couldn't see the kids. hardly any of those parents have gone to jail for those accidents and their failure to look behind. you've been reading too much fake news.

https://fox4kc.com/2018/09/10/child-...car-in-olathe/
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I am a former professional cyclist. I rode about 25k miles a year for a fair amount of years. Running through stop signs was common and everyone did it but you also knew that you had to look very carefully and if it was a 2 way stop and not a 4 way, there are ZERO expectations that the crossing traffic would stop for you.

Also, even with a four way stop, it was and is common practice to slow down and make eye contact with the crossing drivers and waver or be waved before you roll through.

I feel horrible for Nicky and his family but based on what I am reading, I don't think that the fault can live 100% with the driver, even if he was going 42mph in a 30 mph.
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Old Nov 10th 2018, 04:45 PM   #7
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[QUOTE=kensteele;324458]that is so not true at all. the entire reason why backup cameras are mandated on u.s. vehicles is because so many kids have been backed over by suvs where the parents couldn't see the kids. hardly any of those parents have gone to jail for those accidents and their failure to look behind. you've been reading too much fake news.

https://fox4kc.com/2018/09/10/child-...car-in-olathe/[/QUOTE

Ohhh getting personal I see . so what news do I watch, since you know me so well. Oh wait havnt had basic cable since 2011, take your arrogant philosophy and stuff it bsck up your nose

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Old Nov 10th 2018, 06:41 PM   #8
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that is so not true at all. the entire reason why backup cameras are mandated on u.s. vehicles is because so many kids have been backed over by suvs where the parents couldn't see the kids. hardly any of those parents have gone to jail for those accidents and their failure to look behind. you've been reading too much fake news.

https://fox4kc.com/2018/09/10/child-...car-in-olathe/
Ohhh getting personal I see . so what news do I watch, since you know me so well. Oh wait havnt had basic cable since 2011, take your arrogant philosophy and stuff it bsck up your nose

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doesn't matter what you watch or not, you're either the one half or the other half and frankly, they're both pretty wacked. no sorry, wasn't trying to get personal. the link i pulled up was the first one in my google search but it's clear all over america that we tend to NOT criminally prosecute people for "accidents" like this.

i live in a free state and it's obvious to me that folks who don't live in a free state has a totally different idea about america which is why i took offense to your statement. freedom and unity? so i've heard it before, same thing, you shoot somebody, you automatically go to jail. folks who love big government and all kinds of rules and laws and have no idea how the other half of the country lives or thinks....they believe their own way and the arrogance comes in when they think the other half is wrong in what they believe in.

we're not wrong. we believe in personal responsibility. if the kid runs out into the street like that, put the kid's parents in jail.
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Old Nov 11th 2018, 05:21 AM   #9
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personal responsibility can be looked at two ways. The man breaking into my house should take into consideration that people will defend there home at any cost, the castle law. Then there are non free states like Massachusetts whom force the homeowner from their home and give rights to the criminal.
Compairing a child to an adult in making decision like goong into a road with traffic to an adult osnt compairabls . There is no conscience decision there. I grew up in NH, Live Free or Die. Now live in Vermont where every criminal gets away from brutal murder with a temporary insanity, pathetic.
So when I see another homicide default to little to no retribution it makes me sick.
No offence taken. I personally do not follow any news I keep to my simple life in the mountains with my luttle family, bikes and snowboards
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Old Nov 27th 2018, 07:50 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by 1299rFE View Post
Still mind blown with the easy let off.
In the United States it clearly states you must maintain control of your vehicle at all times.
If a child is to run into the street chasing his/her ball and you strike and kill the child you are promised jail time.
For real ?
That’s a real crap system, that you must be held liable for someone else’s mistake.
I’d rather say the child’s parents should be jailed . If the kid comes charging out from behind a parked car, how on earth are you supposed to avoid the impact ?

I hear you about criminals being protected. Pretty much same in Europe.
If a dick breaks into my house, I should be allowed to shoot him. Period.

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