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View Poll Results: MotoGP is...
Great, don't need any changes 6 24.00%
OK, not as good as it used to be, something needs to be done 11 44.00%
Terrible, needs a complete overhaul 6 24.00%
Don't watch it, it sucks that bad! 2 8.00%
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 07:51 AM   #1
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Wow! MotoGP is...

BOOORING. *Yawn*

WTF happened to MotoGP? The first years of the 1000cc 4-stroke motors were great but since the 800cc class and the increasing reliance on TC the racing action just sucks. At least compared to SBK, which has at least the same importance of electronics.

MotoGP has no balance system to increase the competition, its why Suzuki and Kawasaki left. It is more like an arms race, where who has the most money to spend wins, and of course only Honda distantly followed by Yamaha can afford it. Ducati does it because they have enough sponsorship and their senior management are all true enthusiast who feel it is vital to the brand to stay at the "top level" of racing. Maybe with their recent results and Audi's ownership that might change.

Carmelo Ezpeleta has lost the plot. Dumbing down SBK with the recently-released 2014 specifications, trying to make MotoGP the crown jewel with 3 manufacturers and a second on-track class of CRT bikes, while SBK is far and away the best show with 6 manufacturers competing hard just defies logic (Yamaha will return with their new 3-cylinder R1). I can understand the dumbing down of SBK, especially when Carlos Checa's pole time for the 2013 Philip Island round would have placed him on the front row of last year's MotoGP race. MotoGP is just a shadow of its former self and needs new management and radical changes to get it to be nearly as good a show as SBK, SSP and STK.

IMHO, MotoGP is not even necessary. SBK is already a great show and the bikes are just a tick slower. SBK bikes are obviously closer to what can be bought on showroom floors around the world. Since the SBK lap times are so close and the top speeds essentially equal, what is the point? F1 vs. production-based car racing has vastly different performance, but motorcycles aren't nearly as different.

If I had my druthers, just do away with MotoGP and open up the rules a bit for SBK. Innovation could still occur and trickle-down to production bikes and the manufacturers could save significant marketing money and lower the prices of their bikes or add more features/better parts, or both.

Likely never to happen, but what's your opinion?
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 02:43 PM   #2
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My opinion is "who cares?"

It's motorcycle racing. That's good. Why open a TV spot for more NASCAR by "doing away with MotoGP?" The more bikes the better, man. Watch SBK and not MotoGP if that's your preference, pretty simple. Watch both.... Watch kayaking. Shit.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 03:43 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson View Post
My opinion is "who cares?"

It's motorcycle racing. That's good. Why open a TV spot for more NASCAR by "doing away with MotoGP?" The more bikes the better, man. Watch SBK and not MotoGP if that's your preference, pretty simple. Watch both.... Watch kayaking. Shit.
Very insightful response, you're a true fan.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 04:37 PM   #4
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I Ride: 2013 S ABS!!!
Lose the CRT and only factory rides...But I think its still awesome!!! With all the crashing out when its greasy, obviously its not all rider aid. You need to be at one with your tires...
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 04:42 PM   #5
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I Ride: 2019 Ducati Panigale V4 Speciale #1184
I know many will disagree with me, but I miss the days when it was 100% rider.

Nowadays technology is a huge piece of the equation. Telemetry, traction control, etc...Yes, I know it's because of racing we see these techno-logic advances this in many of the bikes you can buy off the shelf. However the reality is it's hurt racing to a certain degree in my opinion.

The GP riders go out, and look at the telemetry settings, and readings. The next practice they go 2-3 tenths in the corner they could get more out of. Riders are robotic.

I miss the old 2 stroke 500 days.

Moto2 is still a blast, and so is WSBK.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 04:54 PM   #6
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@SOULRIDER - I certainly don't disagree with you. Should have included that big point in my initial viewpoint. As a Panigale owner I appreciate having TC to save me on the street or track, but as Zimm11 says it only helps you when on the throttle. ABS is OK, but to use it as a crutch going into a corner the same way TC can be used coming out is asking for disaster.

With over 160 rwhp street bikes, the manufacturers will likely never abandon TC/ABS, but I do wish Moto racing would put a moratorium on it the same F1 did. And F1 is better than ever because of it.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 05:09 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
Very insightful response, you're a true fan.
true I'm really not a fan of any sports teams or players or riders or etc. I am a fan of competition, rivalry, sportsmanship, class, underdogs overcoming adversity and champions crushing those who choose not to compete.

I don't care who wins unless I am in the game. otherwise, I just choose to appreciate the skill and the technology both. if I want to watch a race without tech, I will watch something else. I also love formula 1 and shifter karts the same.....

life is too short to choose. love everything.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 06:14 PM   #8
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I agree Jeff

I prefer to watch Moto2 as its a much closer race

MotoGP has def. become boring
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I'm a die hard born again race fan and my favourite disciplines are MotoGP and F1.

Both formulas have one thing against them; put the fastest guy on pole and he's bound to run away with it, followed by the 2nd and 3rd guy.
Point is, space has to be allowed to the best and results are proportionate with effort.
If you want to be entertained , buy tickets to the Circus, you'll get to shake hands with the Bearded Lady, Trauma and Frosty. Or you can watch NASCAR.
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