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Old Sep 13th 2012, 05:50 PM   #1
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Which tire Warmer's work best on the Panigale

For those that use warmer's at the track, which ones are best suited to the OEM tyres? Elastic sides or no elastic? Digital or non digital? Reliability?

After some recommendations from fellow panigale owners!

Perhaps you dont think warmers are even needed? I'd love to hear your arguments either way!
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Old Sep 13th 2012, 05:58 PM   #2
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Warmers are a MUST for track use man. If you are running stock wheels any type is fine, it gets tricky when you use carbon though. Chicken Hawk are my fave with adjustable temps and indicator lights. They have a huge range out. Of course there are others which are good to go as well. I see where you are located. If you need a good US connection to get a great set PM me when you are ready and I will get you hooked up with a deal and a connection for life (on any gear that is!)

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The OEM tires don't need warmers for proper performance or tire life, nor do any street compound tires. You can certainly use warmers with no ill effects but you won't be getting much of a benefit. That said, I like the Woodcraft dual-temp warmers, I think they're the best on the market for the price.
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Originally Posted by Gunny Fitz View Post
Warmers are a MUST for track use man. If you are running stock wheels any type is fine, it gets tricky when you use carbon though. Chicken Hawk are my fave with adjustable temps and indicator lights. They have a huge range out. Of course there are others which are good to go as well. I see where you are located. If you need a good US connection to get a great set PM me when you are ready and I will get you hooked up with a deal and a connection for life (on any gear that is!)

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+1 on Chicken Hawk. I've use the digital ones with temp readout, they fit over 200 tires no prob. Also check out Bickle, well made and are repairable. I know guys that have had one set for thousands of cycles and last for years.
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I disagree that tire warmers are a "MUST" for track use. It really depends on what the track (outside) temperature is, what the rider skill is and what type of tire you're talking about. If you aren't at least in fast intermediate or the faster group - you probably don't need tire warmers - especially on any day over 80F(26C). On a cooler day, you could argue that there is a benefit to getting the tires up to riding temperature or to take it easy the first lap or so. . The real question is this - do you know how hot your tire temps are when you come off the track ? If you can measure your temps right off the track - you'll know how hot they are and that will answer a lot of questions of whether you need tire warmers to take it up to 160-180 when you start.

You can use them on any tire to get up to temp faster (including OEM), but the only advantage you get is that you can get a bit more aggressive on them right off the bat.

That being said - IMO, the best tire warmers in the world are made by Capit or KLS. Both are excellent, both have nomex versions for Duc's (which you want since the exhausts on Ducs' are very close to tires), and both make digital ones if you want that, and both aren't cheap.. In the US - they are not as commonly available as the top US brand is Chicken Hawk, which are good as well. Either way - I would suggest a couple things, try and get a Nomex version because of the proximity of the exhaust and make sure you keep into consideration the speed sensor wire coming down from /under/ the fender if you put tire warmers on. Some people have relocated that wire as that wire is in the way for tire warmers and can easily get caught when putting on or removing tire warmers (no idea why Ducati put the wire under the fender).
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Old Sep 15th 2012, 09:32 AM   #7
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tire warmers aren't needed? i guess you know better then every pit crew in every racing division in the US and in Europe. I guess Rossi's team and Stoners team just didn't do as much research as you did to come to their conclusions. Not needed at all lol what a tool.
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Old Sep 15th 2012, 09:52 AM   #8
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tire warmers aren't needed? i guess you know better then every pit crew in every racing division in the US and in Europe. I guess Rossi's team and Stoners team just didn't do as much research as you did to come to their conclusions. Not needed at all lol what a tool.
There is a slight difference here. Firstly you are talking about race teams and secondly in those cases the tyre warmers are taken off at the last minute. This is about track days.

On a typical UK / non-open pitlane track day one can sit for many minutes after removing the tyrewarmers with an external temp that will cool the tyres down pretty quickly in that wait time. Other than getting a possible advantage in the first lap or so, I also see no real benefit. I am a fast / intermediate group rider and have never used tyre warmers and have never had a problem either.

There is also a possible benefit in terms of heat cycles which are damaging to a tyres longevity, but again this is perhaps negated if one is going to sit in the pit lane for 10 minutes or so waiting for one's group to be ler out.

Anthem's post makes a lot of sense. Read it carefully.
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tire warmers aren't needed? i guess you know better then every pit crew in every racing division in the US and in Europe. I guess Rossi's team and Stoners team just didn't do as much research as you did to come to their conclusions. Not needed at all lol what a tool.
So is Marc419NY short for Mark Marquez ? Because I would guess the OP isn't a MotoGP or AMA class racer if he's asking about tire warmers. . . And not sure if you read the OP - he's asking about a "track day" not a "race day". Track day is enthusiasts like us going to a track. Race day are races (amateur or professional) - or are you not familiar with the difference. Perhaps you think every "track day" is an AMA race because you've only been to the track one time to see a race ??? that ignorance might explain the lack of knowledge. . .

Chances are if you're asking about tire warmers and have no experience or knowledge with them - you don't need them. Read my post - it depends on rider skill, air/track temp and tire type. The pro guys (and other advanced riders) need it because they want their tire performance to be at max right off the bat (and are starting with hot tires).

I think you mentioned you're going to a track day at NJMP - well go work with Brett for awhile. I'm fairly certain Brett is going to tell you the same thing - if you aren't in fast intermed or advanced - you won't need tire warmers. Especially you're first day out on a track. If its a cold day out on the track - they might help to get it to working temp faster (especially DOT track tires) but you can do that just as easily with a lap or two around the track. Go to your first track day and you'll see. The majority of people there are not running tire warmers. Only the blue/black/race group and /maybe/ some intermediates. If you're got SLICKS or SuperCorsa SC's and are fast/aggressive/experienced enough then you at least might know what you're doing.

Now, it seems like you just want to back up your pink handlebar cheerleading buddy there who hooked you up - which is fine (and so high school). But if you're calling me a "tool" for pointing out something really obvious that you /obviously/ have zero clue about - do some research first. You're going to a track day soon, right ? do YOU have tire warmers and are ready to use them ? Because you're buddy who's never tracked the 1199 (maybe he has, who knows) says you "MUST" have tire warmers ? ok - probably shouldn't have thrown those last two pot shots, but c'mon guys - "whatever" and being called a "tool" ? A "tool" ? The only person who has no clue what he's talking about is the cheerleading tool. . . Stop the cheerleading and pull up your big boy panties. . . .

Oh yeah - Rossi and Stoner both use Capit tire warmers. I know Rossi still does, don't know if Stoner changed but I doubt it. You got anything else ?

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Originally Posted by Copiya View Post
For those that use warmer's at the track, which ones are best suited to the OEM tyres? Elastic sides or no elastic? Digital or non digital? Reliability?

After some recommendations from fellow panigale owners!

Perhaps you dont think warmers are even needed? I'd love to hear your arguments either way!

Agree with most that for road tires, warmers are not required, but are recommended. With warmers, you keep your core tire temps up. Even waiting in pit lane for a few minutes, they will retain heat. With warmers, you can go all out within a few corners. Try this without and you will suffer cold tearing and likely to lob it down the track.

If you are running road tires and don't want to deal with warmers, just spend the first lap or two increasing you pace to let the core of the tires get up to temp.

However, if you want to "hit the track running" I recommend Chicken Hawks pole position warmers - They fit nicely over the 200 rear and are top spec kit with a toggle switch for selecting the only three temps you really ever need.
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