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Old Mar 14th 2017, 01:34 PM   #21
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Didn't sound like crying to me, just cold hard facts. This will be a very interesting year, I believe Mavric is going to make the 93 ride out of his skin and crash a lot. It will be between Rossi and Vinales, and if that happens the Rossi psyops will become a factor. After all he is a past master at the game.
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"oh boy im going to have fun with this one. what is it with you rossi drones do you facebook each other and join forums to defend your yellow hero who has won 0 since 09? i notice all you fan boys have like 10 posts. thats ok i will dispose of you quickly."

Well I didn't see any disposing, and a lot of assumptions from you.

"first things first 46 lost the 2015 world title it wasnt taken and 99 WON IT."

Technically, anybody not numbered 99 lost it, and only 99 won it. This is a factual statement, that I nobody refutes.

If, what you meant, is that 46 wasn't robbed of the title by unfair circumstances and 99 wasn't gifted a championship, then I agree, although it is overlooking some circumstances.

46, who earlier in his career had gotten into people's heads, had his mind games back fire. Jorge Lorenzo has always been ice cold under pressure and Marc Marquez is more than talented enough to fight back.

Valentino robbed himself, perhaps, when he made unfounded accusations against Marquez after Phillip Island. I don't doubt that after those statements that Marquez did slow Rossi down at Sepang nor do I doubt that he could have passed Lorenzo in Valencia. However, he wasn't mandated to do so, and given what Valentino had said about him, who can blame him.

That said, that year wasn't won or lost by Marquez. If Rossi would have pitted sooner in Misano under the rain, he may have had a better chance. Several times that season when Lorenzo was struggling people in front of him crashed. If Rossi would have passed Ianonne or Pedrosa he might have won.

I don't think its fair to say that Marquez alone "cost" Rossi the championship, but rather a myriad of factors lead to Lorenzo's victory. Did Marquez play a role in Sepang and Valencia.. I think so, but Rossi shares some of that responsibility for being the instigator. That's my opinion.


"Second if it wasnt for carmelo rossi wouldnt even be around right now. he brokered (made) the deal for yamaha resign him for 2013. i mean yamaha had the number 1 rider already (99) and number 2 rider was for sales. 99 has won half the world titles since 2010 not a bad recored."

People have people make deals for them. Moot point and not relative to anything in this discussion, and certainly not "disposing of somebody quick." Lorenzo was the man, and Rossi, while out of his prime is still an elite rider (or was at the time) and sells tons of merchandise.

Your assumption that Yamaha wouldn't be interested in Rossi if it wasn't for somebody brokering a deal means nothing to this discussion, doesn't prove (assumptions don't prove anything) anything relative to this discussion, and only shows that your bias against Rossi and his fans helps you draw opinions on things you cannot possibly no.

"Now lets scratch the 08 championship as that was the biggest bunch of bull around as 46 was the only rider to ride bridgestone. why? oh because crybaby wouldnt race if anyone had bridgstones but him."

That's not true, Pedrosa also ran Bridgestone at the end of the season and a few other riders. Rossi was the only Yamaha to run Bridgestone and did use his leverage to gain an advantage. However, I don't think you can claim this was the sole reason for his championship given that he repeated, and likely would have won again in 2011 if not for the season from hell.

The problem I have with your arguments is that you throw objectivity out the window in an effort to be "objective". It's a strange and transparent technique.

"27 gave him such a beating the year before that rossi had carmelo go to his trailer and gave him the ultimatum i quit if i dont have the advantage cause i cant win.
lets not talk about the honda years in early 2000."

Well we should talk about the Honda years, the fact that Rossi was the last non-factory rider to win a championship, and we should talk about the talented peers and rivals he beat. It's only fair to an objective discussion.

"Now we have topgun 25 who will be enemy number one."
Assumption, we will we see.

"its all nice in the paddock for now because there are no races going on. once 25 starts winning boo hoo will be back and 25 will be enemy number one. not 99, 93, 26, or 4."
Assumption, we will see.

" cant be called the number 2 rider even though he has been number 2 rider since 2010."
Biased assumption, given that Maverick isn't number 2 either, it seems that Yamaha has been honest about not having numerically positioned riders.

"for you my friend oh and its 7 times world champ"
Depends on how you are looking at it.

But most important, you have a guy that you were going to dispose off quickly, and all you offered was assumptions, and half-truths were you took it upon yourself to complete. The statement you supposedly disposed off was that somebody was a fan of a particular rider, who claimed him to be human and to make mistakes, and that he was excited for racing to start.

Since you both agree that he is human and makes mistakes, and since you are both (now I'm assuming) excited for racing to begin, so the only thing you seem to be asserting that you were going to disprove off is the fact this man has been a fan since 1996. You completely failed to do that, since you cannot prove whether or not he has been a fan that long.

Perhaps you thought you were going to dispose of him being a fan? However, I don't think a view biased claims, straw-man arguments, half-truths and assumptions are going to lead this guy away from being a fan after 20 years. Perhaps you overestimate how convincing you are?
Mark is so full of bullshit and with no logic that he somehow convinced himself he is not insecure, defensive, and complete bias about everything.

He is on my ignore list so cant read his nonsense anymore but I dont have to imagine much to know what he is saying. And look at that! I read his comment and is still bullshit.
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I'm on young r ignore list yeah ha snowflake can't take the rossi bashing. Oh and I posted something in the wrong section I live snowflakes


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Originally Posted by centeroff View Post
Didn't sound like crying to me, just cold hard facts. This will be a very interesting year, I believe Mavric is going to make the 93 ride out of his skin and crash a lot. It will be between Rossi and Vinales, and if that happens the Rossi psyops will become a factor. After all he is a past master at the game.


Didn't you say that last year? Maybe not but agree with you very interesting


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Not a Rossi fan just don't understand why so much animosity? Why exactly are you so upset with him? Because he's a 9 time World Champion who helped make the sport what it is today? Are you aware that most MotoGP riders looked up to him when they were young? There will always be rivalry in this sport and everyone has their favorites, mine happens to be Lorenzo, but I have the utmost respect for Rossi and all of the other riders. They are all extremely talented riding gods in my book and I definitely know I cannot do what they do. They are also human and subject to making mistakes. I've browsed this forum for awhile now and most people seem cool, but this just doesn't make any sense to me. You're the one who seems fanatical and frankly like an arrogant douche.
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Mark,

I get you points and I understand your mathematical statistics but what is the general underlying reason that you have made a hobby of bashing VR? Your post is interesting as it is your contention to point out what a broken record the "washed up has been" is being yet all of your posts bashing him and his supporters is basically the same record. We get it. You don't like VR. We got it 10 posts ago.
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Old Mar 14th 2017, 11:15 PM   #28
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I didn't really think about VRs global impact on the GP season since his entrance into the premier class 2000-2016. He finished 13 of 16 seasons in the top 3 including runner up 4 times. That's 81% of his seasons in the top 3.Had he not gone to Ducati, that score card would been even higher. I would say his mouth is fairly well "backed up" Casey Stoner who is a tremendous talent has 4 top 3 finishes in his entire GP season run. That's 57% of his seasons in the top 3 and he did not win a 250 title. MM has a great shot of surpassing VR.
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I didn't really think about VRs global impact on the GP season since his entrance into the premier class 2000-2016. He finished 13 of 16 seasons in the top 3 including runner up 4 times. That's 81% of his seasons in the top 3.Had he not gone to Ducati, that score card would been even higher. I would say his mouth is fairly well "backed up" Casey Stoner who is a tremendous talent has 4 top 3 finishes in his entire GP season run. That's 57% of his seasons in the top 3 and he did not win a 250 title. MM has a great shot of surpassing VR.
Impressive Stats, think i have seen 98% of all his races since he has entered MotoGP...

How boring would it be if it was just Rossi just winning, the battles wouldn't be there, nor would it be that more exciting of F1.

Thankfully some new fresh blood has come to test the Doctor and YES they all have given him a kick up the but or two.

Now in 2017, the candy store has been again mixed up, Will Lorenzo bring smiles to Ducati or is it the quiet, down to earth MV#25 that is going to test the likes of MM#93, their will be blood, their will be fights, but their will only be 1 winner crowned.

If i was to give a Championship to one rider, it be Danny Pedrosa, the kid deserves it and still can ride on any given Sunday.

As for my boy #46GOAT - getting harder as the years piles on, but hey didn't he finish 2nd in the Championship, not bad effort at 38yrs Old. He might not have the pepper like he used to but he has race craft and finishes races when it matters. Just needs a few more steps on the higher step #1 - Gawd if he got number #10 it would be OH SOOOO SWEET!

Let the season begin and remember we as spectators wouldn't be here discussing these banters, if it wasn't for these legends.

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