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Old Jun 21st 2017, 04:18 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by shakazulu12 View Post
He likely could take his circus to WSBK and not only clean house financially, but probably add another notch to his belt.
I'd have to disagree. We have Jonathan Rea, Chaz Davies and Tom Sykes om WSBK. There seriously fast guys WHO regularly races just as fast AS the leading group in MotoGP, but om production based machines. I don't know if you remember the combined winter test at Jerez, where JR was a full second faster than all MotoGP guys on the same day?
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Old Jun 21st 2017, 06:53 AM   #22
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I'd have to disagree. We have Jonathan Rea, Chaz Davies and Tom Sykes om WSBK. There seriously fast guys WHO regularly races just as fast AS the leading group in MotoGP, but om production based machines. I don't know if you remember the combined winter test at Jerez, where JR was a full second faster than all MotoGP guys on the same day?
I absolutely do. I think it would be tremendous to watch no matter what result. Rossi said during the Ducati years that he was likely to do it. But retracted that statement after getting back on the Yamaha. I also remember Rossi getting into race pace with a broken leg during testing years back on the R1.
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Old Jun 21st 2017, 07:34 AM   #23
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Rumor is Honda keeps Pedrosa because of his family connection with their title sponsor Repsol? Not sure if there is any truth to that or not, just what I've heard from some friends in Europe.

Regarding Rossi, how can anyone say he is done? Will he win the 10th title? Prob not unfortunately, but MAYBE. Look at his results

2016 = 2nd place
2015 = 2nd place
2014 = 2nd place
2013 = 4th place (1st year back on Yamaha from Ducati)

How can anyone say he is done when he finished 2nd in MotoGP the last 3 years? At a minimum he is the 2nd most competitive person in the world the last 3 years right?
Cue mark...not just anyone but the one and only world renowned Rossi statistic tracker and analytics guru.

Not that I disagree but mark will...
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Old Jun 21st 2017, 08:29 AM   #26
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Hey Mark, here's a piece of 46 memorabilia you might actually like to own!

Rossi's hand written letter of resignation to Yamaha that he wrote in 2010. Up for auction.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BVkcYJgFDbM/
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Old Jun 21st 2017, 08:39 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by DStyleNZL View Post
Rossi is still competitive thou.

He hasnt slipped down the order into obscurity.

But there are other riders who are coming up (Miller, zarco) But they would be snd pick by the top teams against the bigger names.

Im enjoying watching Vinales out in front, rather than the Marquez/Rossi two-some. (I work with to many Rossi/marquez fan boys)
can you please explain how rossi is competitive? please use data and not cause you are a fan. please disprove the following.
1. hasnt won anything since 09
2 is on the best machine in motogp and cannot beat his teammate (maverick or JLO).
3 since 2010 has averaged 1 win a season while the championship winner has averaged 5 wins a season.
4 if you cant win a race how are you to win a championship?
5 rossi marquez 2 some obviously you havnt watched motogp recently cause i cannot remember when rossi and marquez were a 2 some in the front. can you please show me when rossi was challenging marquez consistently (not a race) anytime since 2013. the last 6 titles were marquez and lorenzo no challenge from rossi

the answers that are unacceptable is rossi is motogp (says nothing about how he will win another championship)
rossi makes more money (again tells me nothing about how he will win another championship.
rossi has the most fans etc you get the idea. so when you can disprove 1-5 then you can say he is competitive.
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Hey Mark, here's a piece of 46 memorabilia you might actually like to own!

Rossi's hand written letter of resignation to Yamaha that he wrote in 2010. Up for auction.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BVkcYJgFDbM/
id be much more interested in an apology letter to ducati for taking and wasting their money. while mentioning i dont understand how casey was so fast on the ducati and i failed miserably.

Rossi said, he still failed to understand how come Casey Stoner was so successful on the Ducati where everyone else failed. "Casey was the only one rider who could be fast with the Ducati," Rossi told reporters. "All the other guys that tried have destroyed, not his career but his mind... So congratulations to Casey.

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Old Jun 21st 2017, 08:49 AM   #29
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I don't know that much about motorcycle racing to understand a lot of it. I think it is impossible to dispute that at some point, you call it a day. I guess there are may factors that determine that and VR probably has more in his wheel house to retain a factory ride that other riders simply based on revenue. Rossi at some point has to step down. Today would be great. Problem is what if he goes out and lets not say wins a race but gets a few more podiums this year? now what? You tell him, "look old man, its over"?. His fans are just going to laugh and tell you that 3rd out of a 20 rider field is not "over" simple as that. Yes its not the best. No one is disputing that fact. If Rossi has to go and I completely agree that Yamaha needs a replacement, then 80% of the damn field needs to go. Its filled with guys who will only see a podium in pictures. Doesn't say much for the sport. There is a big difference between a guy who is not winning and a guy who cannot win. I guess Honda should have sacked Pedrosa years ago oh but wait, he is winning again. So yes, Rossi needs to give Zarco a shot but I still think if you put Rossi on Zarco's bike today, Rossi still beats 80% of the field so I guess my point is that maybe they just need to clean house all around. I say that because Maveric is not doing a whole lot better against the field or Zarco than Rossie is. Rossi may be in fact done in GP but he sure does have a lot of company. They should just have a 6 bike series and call it a day. To say that they are fielding a competitive series with 20 competitive bikes is a joke.
the problem is doc and im going to try and keep this civil. 3rd isnt out of 20 riders its out of 4 riders. there are only 4 people that have a shot at the title each year. 2 repsol riders 2 yamaha riders. so you have a 1 in 4 chance to win the title. Lets be honest though honda is having a tough time and if it wasnt for marquez being so talented it should be between the 2 yamaha guys.
so rossi has a 50% shot of winning every year just for showing up. he isnt competitive so he loses every year.
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Right! Miller has never been a real contender. Zarco, yes that is a valid statement.
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