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Old Jun 27th 2017, 07:48 PM   #31
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This is correct. The current Ducati is completely different than anything Stoner rode (in competition) or Rossi rode. Lorenzo has never had to change/alter his style in MotoGP before, now he has to, while Ducati tries to build a bike closer to what he wants. They'll need to meet somewhere in the middle.



Realistically Ducati might be best positioned in the Michelin era - since the tires have such narrow operating ranges in terms of obtaining grip, setup is key, as is build philosophy. The Hondas seem to do best now in low-grip conditions, while the Yamaha is best in high-grip conditions. The Ducati seems to fall in between, and they might be able to leverage that with good results overall and Hayden their way into a championship - work hard and take the most points you can get consistently.


You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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Dovi I looks pretty damn fast and is leading the championship...and if Stoner is faster then he could easily win the title right now on it, correct? So he should get his ass out there right now or just putting up fast laps here and there means jack shit.

I would think Ducati will resign JLo without hesitation as this year should be a learning curve and he is a top talented rider with championship wins to prove it. If for some crazy ass reason they didn't resign JLo I'd sign Petrucci if I was Ducati as he has looked pretty strong all year on the Ducati. As for where JLo would go is a god question...I song think he could handle the Honda as it seems temperamental for setup as well, maybe Suzuki?
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My point was that the previous poster said the Ducati wasn't the same as 07 which is true but the same guy is still the fastest on it. I would live to see Stoner wild card on the Ducati at Philip island. U heard dovi in the press conference nobody wants him there lol. Can u imagine Stoner winning at pi on the Ducati marquez being second and rossi losing those extra points cause of Stoner dorna would Shit itself


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My point was that the previous poster said the Ducati wasn't the same as 07 which is true but the same guy is still the fastest on it. I would live to see Stoner wild card on the Ducati at Philip island. U heard dovi in the press conference nobody wants him there lol. Can u imagine Stoner winning at pi on the Ducati marquez being second and rossi losing those extra points cause of Stoner dorna would Shit itself


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Hahaaaa that would be funny and it would be awesome to see him out there!
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Stoner's talent, no doubt. Seeing him topping the pre-season timesheet were just astounding. Too much of a _____ (call it what you like) to compete again.

I bet Spies (with his permanently broken body) will race a bike before Stoner does.
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Originally Posted by mark419ny View Post
You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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I didn't forget it. It's irrelevant, just like comparing the 17 bike to the 07 bike Stoner won on a decade ago. They redesigned everything about the bike after Rossi tanked on it. Stoner hasn't raced a Ducati in 7 years. It doesn't matter what he can do on it. Sure he's fast, faster than most, but he isn't racing. Stoner bears no relevance to a conversation about Lorenzo and Ducati. Or was this just a way to get a dig in at Rossi?
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If u don't think Stoner doesn't have input on the Ducati ur nuts. Obviously he isn't irrelevant or they would just use piro. the fastest guy on the bike obviously has input. He also called each and every tire problem that happened. He was also right about the Honda. So if you think Stoner doesn't have input why is Ducati paying him to test it. Don't be a hating rossi fan cause Stoner could ride the Ducati and rossi couldn't. If I wanted to put a dig at rossi I would just do it. I don't have to imply anything.
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While Mark and I have come to terms and I have acknowledged that he has valid points on Rossi, and other valid points on racing I just can't get into Stoner. I think "the only guy who could win on the Ducati" being his calling card is a bit dated. He never won a 125 or a 250 championship and he never backed up a GP championship while Rossi has done it multiple times and Marquez will probably do it again this year and he always had a Factory ride. He is for sure fast but I just can't put him in the same box as MM,JL or Rossi. And wasn't his good lap time on the first test this year done on different tires than the rest of the guys? He doesn't want to race competitively yet signed up for the 8hr. He didn't come back in 2013 but what were the politics there? Where would Marquez have gone if Stoner stayed?. Again, huge talent but I don't get the mystique. Disclaimer. I know little about racing and I know there are probably some "stats" that show he is a god. Ok. Rossi lost to Hayden by 5 points in 06 and he had 3 DNFs. That was an absolute gift for Hayden and should have given Rossi a 6 in a row run. Stoner wins in 07 again with Rossi having 3 DNFs and then looses 08 and 09 to Rossi. The 08 Laguna race was epic and defining for a lot of fans on how they viewed stoner. The talent comment although reciprocal 10 years from now in the history books will look comical when you compare the global impact of VR vs CS.
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The talent comment although reciprocal 10 years from now in the history books will look comical when you compare the global impact of VR vs CS.
given the stats and accomplishments on the very day that talent comment was uttered, it was already comical and inane and even disrespectful. today it's looking far worse for the wear. (orange tinted glasses prevent Marktard from appreciating that.)
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If u don't think Stoner doesn't have input on the Ducati ur nuts. Obviously he isn't irrelevant or they would just use piro. the fastest guy on the bike obviously has input. He also called each and every tire problem that happened. He was also right about the Honda. So if you think Stoner doesn't have input why is Ducati paying him to test it. Don't be a hating rossi fan cause Stoner could ride the Ducati and rossi couldn't. If I wanted to put a dig at rossi I would just do it. I don't have to imply anything.
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Input? Sure. Are they building the bike based on what he says? No. They're paying him to test, not to race. Pirro still does the majority of the testing and the factory racers value his input. I'm sure they value Casey's too, but Gigi isn't going to build a bike based on what a guy who can A) ride anything fast and B) isn't actively racing any longer. He's going to take input in this order" Lorenzo, Dovisioso, Pirro, Stoner.

Stoner is incredibly fast, yes. I like him a lot more now that he's not racing - because he seems overall happier.

By the way, I'm not a Rossi fan. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Rossi fan. This is a thread, your thread, about Lorenzo and his future on the Ducati. Why not stay on topic. Before you start with your blah blah blah, you're the one who drug this thread, which I'd hoped could be a good discussion, through the mud. Again.
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