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Old Jun 29th 2017, 10:59 AM   #51
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What's more impressive?

Rossi 04 on Yamaha (Yamaha has 1 podium entire season in 03)
Stoner 07 (remember Loris and Bayliss came in 1-2 in the last race of 06)
Marquez 14 (10 wins in a row)
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Nothing rossi has ever done is impressive period. Burgess has said the Yamaha was just about ready when he got there. Again when your tires work and nobody else does how can you not win


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Mark, again I don't know much about the series or racing in general. Is it your contention that throughout Rossi's run that every year he has won a championship that he has had the tire mfg make special tires for him that no one knew about and no one else could get? If that truly is the case then his championships at least need an asterisk next to them. I just have a hard time understanding how you get Michelin and Bridgestone to run a clandestine operation like that without anyone knowing. Dorna would surly have to be in on it. Are there any ex Michelin or Bridgestone guys that have verified this in and interview or something? It would be pretty hard with all the moving pieces to keep it a secret especially with riders, mechanics and staff moving around between mfg. Thats a lot of people having to "look the other way". I did a search and all I can find is "chat board rumors" which I cannot verify. Do you have any links to any credible sources other than guys who hate Rossi? Not doubting you, I would just like to read about it.
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Nothing rossi has ever done is impressive period. Burgess has said the Yamaha was just about ready when he got there. Again when your tires work and nobody else does how can you not win


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lol.
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Mark, again I don't know much about the series or racing in general. Is it your contention that throughout Rossi's run that every year he has won a championship that he has had the tire mfg make special tires for him that no one knew about and no one else could get? If that truly is the case then his championships at least need an asterisk next to them. I just have a hard time understanding how you get Michelin and Bridgestone to run a clandestine operation like that without anyone knowing. Dorna would surly have to be in on it. Are there any ex Michelin or Bridgestone guys that have verified this in and interview or something? It would be pretty hard with all the moving pieces to keep it a secret especially with riders, mechanics and staff moving around between mfg. Thats a lot of people having to "look the other way". I did a search and all I can find is "chat board rumors" which I cannot verify. Do you have any links to any credible sources other than guys who hate Rossi? Not doubting you, I would just like to read about it.
that is 100% what i am saying they new about it. thats just how things worked back then until casey stoner came along and started whooping him. then all of a sudden nobody can have different tires and spec tires came out except for of course rossi. he got his tires and everybody else got theirs that was in 08 in 09 everybody was on the same. i will give rossi that.

one of the reasons nicky won the title was in 06 dani didnt want the tires given to him and toni elias took them. elias won the race and not rossi. normally elias wouldnt have had those tires but dani didnt want them.

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Spec Tires - Are They Necessary? | Sport Rider

all you need to know when the CEO says the problem is the race results.
The problem is the result of the races," Ezpeleta said. "The impact on the show has been very bad." So he floated the idea of spec tires in MotoGP. The reactions were almost equally split between condemnation and commendation. And now the proposal is being considered for the AMA Superbike Championship.

Casey Stoner was largely responsible for the MotoGP curveball. The 21-year-old Australian was not only winning, he was winning by big margins. But more importantly, Valentino Rossi wasn't winning. The seven-time world champion is the consummate showman; if he chases the leader for most of the race and makes a pass on the final lap, he is hailed as the conquering hero. And so everyone sticks around to see how the races end.

in the end, Bridgestone got another premier rider for 2008, Michelin ramped up its program, the tire restrictions were loosened and the show went on. Ezpeleta brokered a deal three weeks later that put Rossi on Bridgestone tires (his teammate Jorge Lorenzo will remain on Michelins). The Italian press reported that Ezpeleta visited Rossi in his hotel room, where Rossi threatened to quit if he didn't get Bridgestones. Whether the story is true or not—and a fair number of paddock wags believe it is—it illustrates the drawing power of Rossi. No one else commands that much attention, certainly not the Repsol Honda team, which was convinced to stay on Michelins after rider Dani Pedrosa pined for Bridgestones.


biggest fraud in racing as we have been seeing since 2011 when the deal was going to be made to go back to yamaha. the sabotaging of ben spies the getting rid of the number 1 rider at yamaha, lorenzo all to try and get another championship and its not working. hell if i knew all this in 2013 i would have said give him 10 and let him go home. the 2015 antics were a joke JLO tire disappearing in 2016 and now this year tire debacle.. how much more evidence do you need?

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endo it was known it wasnt secret. the tire companies competed and used the data from the top guys. rossi was on honda they took his input and data and developed the tire for him. end of story
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when you hate so much, have zero actual evidence and then try to misconstrue how motogp was run for decades, you get...the forum ass^'s wild conspiracy theories. not single iota of proof, kind of like Russia hacking the last race too....

next up: all riders not on the same exact bike (with whichever rider i prefer) have obviously cheated. LOL.

edit: & if Rossi wasn't at the top of the heap all of his career, then he would not have had any tire input in the first place. see how that goes? & of course last weekend the Russians slipped Rossi a pair of super-duper-secret-sauce-tires, right? gtfo already.
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Back then all the tire manufactures were running special tires for the factory teams. Michellin had the most advanced tire production machine ever installed in a semi trailer and was literally making custom tires at the track for the factory teams based upon the conditions. It was a large reason why we ended up with spec tires. It wasn't just a Bridgestone thing, it was everyone. Bridgestone just did it better than everyone else.

This isn't a secret. Dunlop was doing the same thing in AMA, Pirelli was doing it elsewhere. Spies and Mladin's tires were rumored to be worth well over a second a lap alone when they ran off a string of 3 straight years of Suzuki winning every AMA race. Doesn't mean that anyone else would have caught those guys with the same tires either.
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Originally Posted by mark419ny View Post
Nothing rossi has ever done is impressive period.
I laugh so hard! This statement comical.
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Originally Posted by mark419ny View Post
in 08 in 09 everybody was on the same. i will give rossi that.

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