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Old Nov 13th 2017, 03:54 PM   #51
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For sure. Not taking anything away from Dovi. Just interesting to think about.

More importantly, if Yamaha get their shit together next year, I hope Dovi do good again and win a championship.
Won't be surprised if Lorenzo finishes ahead of Dovi next year. JLo came a long way on that bike this season and if Ducati can sort out some of the bike's remaining weaknesses he will be a contender.

All of that said -- MM has to be the favorite for now. Rossi is too old. Vinales won't get the development support. Pedro is too short. Zarco is on old machinery. Dovi is not consistent enough, etc. etc....

2019/2020 will be interesting years with younger guys stepping up to MotoGP and current satellite riders jumping on factory rides. We will probably see Rossi and Pedro both retire by 2020 and the entire grid will be re-shuffled. KTM could be reaching their goals and who knows what MM will have between his legs by then. He will have to swap manufacturers at some point just like Rossi and Jlo did in order to really cement his greatness.

This is the MM era, like it or not.
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Old Nov 14th 2017, 06:57 AM   #52
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johan was on the 2016 M1. the factory yamaha were on identical new chasis. i cant confirm that for sure but nick harris said a few times that he cant believe johan was on a 2016 bike.... funny how 2016 bike was Jorge's bike lots of his input. 2017 well we know who yamaha is listening too and it wasnt the guy winning the races and having blistering times in the beginning of the season. maybe just a coincidence maybe not.
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Old Nov 14th 2017, 08:10 AM   #53
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But as we all know, everything that doesn't fit a narrative of JL being an egoistic ass isn't real
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Old Nov 14th 2017, 08:26 AM   #54
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Here’s some homework. Learn this. There will be a test.

Suggest Mapping One – Lose a Tear-Off. It Might Help You See
Suggest Mapping Two – Come Back Into The Pits So I Can Slap You.
Suggest Mapping Three – Marquez Is Winning Again. Just Finish The Race Without Crashing
Suggest Mapping Four – Stop Mashing Your Fist Against The Dash. There Is No Map Four. It’s Code For Stop Mashing Your Fist Against The Dash.
Suggest Mapping Five – Try To Pass Someone. Anyone. Even Rabat Will Do At This Stage.
Suggest Mapping Six – Why Are You Waving At The Crowd? There’s Six Laps Left To Go.
Suggest Mapping Seven – You’re Going The Wrong Way.
Suggest Mapping Eight – Get Out Of the Way You Embarrassingly Slow Arsepigeon.
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to all that asked they were ALL on the 2016 chasis

Valencia MotoGP: Rossi raced 2016 chassis - 'it was better, but?' | News
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his is the difference between the Pedrosa, JL & Dovi all throughout the race. The lap on which JL crashed he was under two tenths of a second to Pedrosa. Lorenzo took out 4 tenths of a second out of Pedrosa on that lap and DOvi was unable to follow!

http://resources.motogp.com/files/re...df?v1_baa6a143

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Dovi used up his front tire trying to get around his team mate early on, to me it looks like the Ducati's are dealing with a high center of gravity. It explains a lot excellent straight line grip off the corner, and a reluctance to change directions.
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Vinales was fastest on the first day of testing, 2016 chassis, 2018 motor. Zarco on the 2017 bike.

1 VIŅALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha MotoGP 1:30.189 70 / 80
2 ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:30.389 0.200 0.200 44 / 53
3 MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda Team 1:30.501 0.312 0.112 45 / 70
4 ROSSI, Valentino Movistar Yamaha MotoGP 1:30.519 0.330 0.018 49 / 63
5 MILLER, Jack OCTO Pramac Racing 1:30.635 0.446 0.116 54 / 57
6 ESPARGARO, Aleix Aprilia Racing Team Gresini 1:30.756 0.567 0.121 31 / 51
7 DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati Team 1:30.850 0.661 0.094 28 / 50
8 LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team 1:31.059 0.870 0.209 34 / 48
9 ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:31.166 0.977 0.107 45 / 56
10 CRUTCHLOW, Cal LCR Honda Castrol 1:31.259 1.070 0.093 31 / 55
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