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mark419ny Nov 20th 2017 09:41 AM

what to do about a track bike
 
Here is the situation. A track coach told me im at the limit of my 600. not because i am great (although i am great) but physically i am too big for the 600 now.
i was told the only real way to get faster is to get suspension work done to my 07 ninja. here is the situation

im 5 11 225 and my bike is totally stock. the coach said i need the bike set up properly to improve anymore. im just to big for what the bike can handle right now. in the past it wasnt a big deal cause i was a beginner. anyway i have a zip tie on the forks and i bottom that out every time.

for now i tighten up the suspension to its stiffest levels but i am thinking i need a new track bike. (good excuse to buy something right).

my ninja is an 07 with 3500 miles on it. i can add what would be about 2k in suspension work however im not married to the bike.

i could sell it and buy another 600 with the work already done but do i really want another 600.

i could sell it and buy a litre bike :D

advice from the track guys please.

shakazulu12 Nov 20th 2017 10:03 AM

Is it a dedicated track bike or still have all the road stuff on it? If it's already converted, and you know it's history and condition then probably just want to drop the money. Usually you will need to re-valve and re-spring an aftermarket setup anyway unless the previous owner was similar in size and riding style.

If it's mostly a streetbike, then sell it as that and buy a prepped 600. Probably won't lose much money as trackbikes have poor resale value, even with all the goodies.

mark419ny Nov 20th 2017 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by shakazulu12 (Post 296584)
Is it a dedicated track bike or still have all the road stuff on it? If it's already converted, and you know it's history and condition then probably just want to drop the money. Usually you will need to re-valve and re-spring an aftermarket setup anyway unless the previous owner was similar in size and riding style.

If it's mostly a streetbike, then sell it as that and buy a prepped 600. Probably won't lose much money as trackbikes have poor resale value, even with all the goodies.

its all track but stock with the exception of brembro master full exhaust and new sproket. i have all the street parts that i took off.

reganc Nov 20th 2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mark419ny (Post 296585)
its all track but stock with the exception of brembro master full exhaust and new sproket. i have all the street parts that i took off.

I would just get the suspension re-sprung and be done with it, probably the cheapest way unless you want to convert it back to stock sell it and then buy a dedicated track bike with some goodies but you still might need to get it re-sprung.

mark419ny Nov 20th 2017 10:37 AM

re sprung front then i need rear spring and shock is that correct? what is the cost of that?

youngR Nov 20th 2017 10:39 AM

Turn your HP4 into a track bike. Dont baby it.

mark419ny Nov 20th 2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by youngR (Post 296589)
Turn your HP4 into a track bike. Dont baby it.

funny i was thinking about doing that to the pani

reganc Nov 20th 2017 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mark419ny (Post 296588)
re sprung front then i need rear spring and shock is that correct? what is the cost of that?

not sure but call MarkBilt at NJMP and he will give you a price I don't want to lead you astray.

jmparton Nov 20th 2017 11:00 AM

Track the Pani because that's the only function it's really good at...:eek:

ScrapperX Nov 20th 2017 11:36 AM

Turn the Panigale into a track bike because its light weight like a 600 with lots of power and the suspension is stiff enough, handles great and its has lots of head room to grow and polish your skills. Keep the HP4 in pristine condition because its rare. Sell the 600.

mark419ny Nov 20th 2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by reganc (Post 296592)
not sure but call MarkBilt at NJMP and he will give you a price I don't want to lead you astray.

unfortunately i live in south fl now. i haven't seen mark in over a year. maybe a good trip in the summer time

shakazulu12 Nov 20th 2017 12:08 PM

I'm not sure who all is in FL. I would check on the CCS forum and see who the go-to shop is for the local race crowd. Best to use someone that is likely to be around the trackdays you are going to be at if you have the opportunity.

jmparton Nov 20th 2017 01:34 PM

Hard to beat the reputation of Thermos Man for suspension. He makes it easy to ship it to him and has a form on his website that will assist with the process. The voodoo he worked on my Daytona simultaneously made the bike more appropriate for my ability and gave me room to advance. I plan on sending him the Pani suspension this winter.

jwm2k3 Nov 20th 2017 04:44 PM

Sell the Ninja, use that $ to make the 1199S race ready :)

Twistedracer Nov 21st 2017 10:27 AM

Track all three bikes . First modification is always suspension.

Phl Nov 21st 2017 11:18 AM

you will probably have the most success with the BMW.

easiest to ride and not too fincky to set up when getting faster.

the panigale will take all you have to make it work, while going through tires in the meantime.

oracle462 Nov 21st 2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Phl (Post 296674)
you will probably have the most success with the BMW.

easiest to ride and not too fincky to set up when getting faster.

the panigale will take all you have to make it work, while going through tires in the meantime.



Iím curious what makes you say that about the panigale, can you share what youíve experienced?


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mark419ny Nov 21st 2017 12:33 PM

fyi im not tracking the hp4. its either the ducati or i will buy a new (new bike not new model) bmw or r1 and trade the ducati for a v4r. for now i am returning it to stock and selling all my after market parts except exhaust

mark419ny Nov 21st 2017 12:43 PM

my last problem is im coming up on that 15k service which costs like 2500 bucks i dont really want to pay that. i think i can track the 1199 for a year or so and trade it in

Phl Nov 21st 2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle462 (Post 296676)
Iím curious what makes you say that about the panigale, can you share what youíve experienced?


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Taking what other club racers are saying.

I rode 1:41 at barber on an SV650 in a race and 1:43 on the 1199 on a trackday.

The only 3 times I rode an S1000RR I felt it was really way / boring to ride. Except the turbine boost. Dude that rode my bike got off and said he felt raped by my Bella... :D

For a track bike, ride whatís easy to ride, good on tire consumption and cheap to crash.

oracle462 Nov 21st 2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Phl (Post 296693)
Taking what other club racers are saying.



I rode 1:41 at barber on an SV650 in a race and 1:43 on the 1199 on a trackday.



The only 3 times I rode an S1000RR I felt it was really way / boring to ride. Except the turbine boost. Dude that rode my bike got off and said he felt raped by my Bella... :D



For a track bike, ride whatís easy to ride, good on tire consumption and cheap to crash.



Thatís a really interesting sentiment since Iíve been asking questions on a different thread about getting into track riding. Panigales arenít that cheap to crash...getting a track bike thatís not a Panigale seems like a better option, would you agree? Besides the 650, do you have recommendations of ones that fulfill the criteria you stated above?

Thanks for posting!


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shakazulu12 Nov 21st 2017 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle462 (Post 296701)
Thatís a really interesting sentiment since Iíve been asking questions on a different thread about getting into track riding. Panigales arenít that cheap to crash...getting a track bike thatís not a Panigale seems like a better option, would you agree? Besides the 650, do you have recommendations of ones that fulfill the criteria you stated above?

Thanks for posting!


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SV if you are intent on really building skills. Any UJM 600 otherwise IMHO. But it's your money and it depends on what your ultimate goal is at the track.

shakazulu12 Nov 21st 2017 05:34 PM

Can't seem to edit my own post. Just saw you have an 899. Just track that for now and figure out what you want later.


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