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Old Jan 8th 2013, 06:11 PM   #1
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Track days and crashing

Guys, ever been at a track day and seen someone crash in a slower group and wonder "how the fuck did that happen"

More over, when u see it u think "holly shit" wasn't even going fast.

The reality is the pani, RSV4' and even the BMW gives the average rider some tools to go quicker and be safer than other bikes, mind u, the ZX10 and 0/12 R1 have TC.

Can't go past getting some training or tuition on how to ride fast and safe..

Lots on this forum about the bike and handling, would be good to start putting up some details on track day providers who offer tuition and which race schools are worth attending...

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Old Jan 8th 2013, 07:19 PM   #2
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Yes, it would be nice to hear about everyone's experience. I'm going to a CSS weekend next month in Las Vegas. I've heard good things about them, but will let you know how it goes. It's been years since I was at the track so decided to take level 1 and 2 again. I'm going to another weekend here in WA by them next July too.
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Old Jan 8th 2013, 08:51 PM   #3
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Good idea Bowdy. In my experience crashes are caused by either skill error, by putting too many bikes on the track or by mixing skills too much within a group. I'd like to see a thread calling out track day operators that understand this and have systems in place to increase skill, limit numbers in groups and try to keep skill levels in groups similar. Would help everyone I think.
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Old Jan 8th 2013, 10:47 PM   #4
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Ordered an 1199R this morning and as soon as I'm somewhat comfortable on the bike, I'll be doing this at Eastern Creek.

I don't want to be a hero, I want to improve my riding technique and heard nothing but good things about CSS.

My friend and I are looking forward to it.

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Old Jan 9th 2013, 06:03 AM   #5
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Great idea. I hope this thread takes off. I would be interested in knowing some of the better places to go in my area.
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Old Jan 9th 2013, 06:05 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Evo View Post
I don't want to be a hero....
uhh, I DO! Who wouldn't??
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Old Jan 9th 2013, 06:11 AM   #7
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im going to miller. Yamaha championship riding school. for my research its the best out there with the most actual track time. i compared it to keith codes school and a few others. i could go to the track thats 2.5 hours away as these schools travel but then i would have to use my pani. i would rather make a trip out to utah and use the r6 to "learn on" just in case i crash .
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Old Jan 9th 2013, 08:37 AM   #8
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Bottom line is that motorcycle track days in the US simply do not offer enough instruction and don't take rider safety seriously enough. Some track day orgs do a classroom session or two to newcomers but other than that there is little in the way of mandatory training when people get on the race track.

Contrast that with most car track day orgs where you are required to go to a classroom session after each session on track and each student gets an instructor. Obviously you can't have an instructor on the bike with you but considering that a motorcycle is much more difficult to operate and is much more dangerous, you'd think motorcycle track day orgs would have at least the same level of instruction.

Now I don't know why trackday orgs don't provide/mandate more and better instruction for riders. Maybe it's hard to find instructors, or maybe many riders would bitch about having to sit in class. Whatever the reason, it would behoove trackday orgs to do things to reduce the frequency of trackday crashes. Every person that brings their nice sportbike out to beginner group and wads their bike up is one less person that can be a return customer. Then when that guy tells his friends that he wrecked his bike at a trackday it makes them less likely to try it themselves.

I still encourage my friends to do track days if they're interested but I always recommend that they do something like Cali SBK School first to get some fundamentals down before getting on the racetrack.
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Old Jan 9th 2013, 08:51 AM   #9
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What are some examples of good racing schools in the US other than Cali?
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Old Jan 9th 2013, 09:14 AM   #10
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a few mentioned above but the tops from my research are Yamaha championship riding school (you ride r6) and keith code (you ride s1000rr). Yamaha you get much more track time then codes school. you can google both of them.
school info

Motorcycle Riding School | Yamaha Champions Riding School

below is the article that sold me on the school

Soup :: Yamaha Champions School: Breaking Trail On Trail-Braking :: 06-15-2011

here is another review

Yamaha Champions Riding School - Motorcycle USA
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