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Old Jun 12th 2018, 07:43 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by shakazulu12 View Post
The talk is that the BSB effort may have a run at WSBK next season for Suzuki. Ducati will probably grumble a bit, but they have the V4 coming to the grid next year and at this point, nobody really knows how competitive it will be. Just IMHO though.
At least with the V4, they will have choices when they get hit with rpm or other handicaps. With a 4 cylinder they can change rod to stroke ratio, bore to stroke ratio, cam timing, they will be able to move peak torque and peak power where ever they need it to be to suit the whims of WSBK.
The radically over square on the edge v twin is maxed out. Left alone has a fighting chance, but these B/S handicap rules have gutted the twin. It's like the welfare, lowest common denominator mentality has come to WSBK.
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Yeah, they got screwed on the new rules. I'm not really a fan of them making adjustments based upon a teams success either. Whenever you make the rules more strict, you typically find that the better funded teams simply find a way around it anyway.
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Old Jun 17th 2018, 02:31 PM   #23
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The engine rules definitely suck but I’m not so sure that’s what is hurting the Ducs. I think the factory has checked out on the L twin and is focusing development on the V4. Next year will be interesting.
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Old Jun 23rd 2018, 06:22 AM   #24
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Laguna weekend can't wait for this afternoon. I hope Josh H. can qualify good and finish the WSBK races he's going to have a long ass weekend. Jake G. better finish ahead of Josh... lol
Would have been nice to see Suzuki throw Elias into the WSBK races. Since he's been smacking the moto America competition around for 2 years..
Let the games begin!!!
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Josh is going to race WSB and Moto America races back to back. I don’t see how he can do that even if he is a young guy. Given how much work LS is, if he can finish the second race that’s going to be amazing. That’s probably Suzuki did not want Tony to try as well. Good luck to them.
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Old Jun 25th 2018, 11:57 AM   #26
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kind of a snooze fest...
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Old Jun 26th 2018, 04:31 AM   #27
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I would have to agree the races are getting a bit boring, some of that due to rules and some due to JR65, but usually the beginning of the races are an all out dog fight for the lead, at least until JR65's super smooth riding style kicks in at the front and "HE GONE!" This dude, JR65, is as smooth of a rider as they come and he makes very few mistakes, he caught my eye when he hopped on the honda team with Mark VDM, and started winning races on the oldest machine on the grid.. Now throw in the 1,2,3 start in the 3rd row for the second race and it gets a bit more interesting.. Someone was asking about the lines between MotoGP and WSBK, I actually was wondering the same, as yamaha and their crossplane crank and big bang firing order and the upcoming Ducati V4, how much do they need to differentiate as these are basically the engines they use in MotoGP?
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I would have to agree the races are getting a bit boring, some of that due to rules and some due to JR65, but usually the beginning of the races are an all out dog fight for the lead, at least until JR65's super smooth riding style kicks in at the front and "HE GONE!" This dude, JR65, is as smooth of a rider as they come and he makes very few mistakes, he caught my eye when he hopped on the honda team with Mark VDM, and started winning races on the oldest machine on the grid.. Now throw in the 1,2,3 start in the 3rd row for the second race and it gets a bit more interesting.. Someone was asking about the lines between MotoGP and WSBK, I actually was wondering the same, as yamaha and their crossplane crank and big bang firing order and the upcoming Ducati V4, how much do they need to differentiate as these are basically the engines they use in MotoGP?
There is a huge difference between the "production" based super bikes, and the full on purpose built race only factory prototype gran prix bikes. The engines are total exotics with pnuematic valve trains and God only knows what else, very trick materials. I think the CRT class from a few years ago showed the glaring disparity between production and proto type. Ductati is in the best position to blur those lines with the new V4 though. If JR was on a Ducati winning every F'n race I wouldn't complain a bit. but on the green jap disposable appliance, it makes me sick.
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There is a huge difference between the "production" based super bikes, and the full on purpose built race only factory prototype gran prix bikes. The engines are total exotics with pnuematic valve trains and God only knows what else, very trick materials. I think the CRT class from a few years ago showed the glaring disparity between production and proto type. Ductati is in the best position to blur those lines with the new V4 though. If JR was on a Ducati winning every F'n race I wouldn't complain a bit. but on the green jap disposable appliance, it makes me sick.
You are correct, but what percentage of the engine has to be different from the prototype to be considered prototype? I guess this is what i was trying to get at in my first post.. I see the Kwakasakis winning and it hurts that its not Ducati, but just remember back to the mid-90's to early 2000's when WSBK was called the Ducati Cup, there was a reason..
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WSBK has become so boring ! And Sykes keeps disappointing me with his lack of competitiveness on the same machine as JR
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