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Old Feb 4th 2013, 01:53 PM   #31
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Ride height tool

Are any of you guys using a tool for measuring the rear ride height ?

I feel a bit lost on setting a base for the rear ride height - without a proper tool.
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Old Feb 4th 2013, 02:39 PM   #32
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BowHunter,

Ducati make one that you have to measure at the dealers, as there is no chance you want to buy one like that. But in order to compare you really need to use it.

Mine was at 216mm last time I measured it on theirs.

I also measure my forks from base of lower triple to top of the wiper seal on the fork, as that's the only way to compare different forks.

I am trying them at 195mm next with slightly lower rear ride height too. They were at 200mm before but am trying to get CofG down a bit to add some high speed stability.

Anyone else know theirs?
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Old Feb 4th 2013, 03:04 PM   #33
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Hey guys, interesting how each of us measure and capture data, I measure from the top triple clamp to the top of the fork cap... Using a vernier gauge or calliper... 3mm more through the forks than stock, the pani is prone to being unsettled at speed by bumps so too steep causes problems...

Hmmm rear ride height, I had the machine on the S and then translated that in to ride height on the base... Up 8mm from stock at the moment... But in the end its been valving and fork springs that have made the step I needed to progress and hold a line... I'm going to measure everything on the weekend and post a base setting, I rode the spare S on the road on Sunday, the problem is without changing the spring I'm running 34mm of riders sag to get the stock spring to a soft enough setting to make the valving work, having to use excessive comp damping to compensate.. But rebound is ok now and it was a half decent ride...

Remember this setting is for PI a fast flowing track that has been re surfaced...

I found that weighting the outside peg when mid corner did 2 things, took my weight off the bars increasing the front end feel and made me sit in the middle of the bike which increased RW traction and feel from the shock.. There is a substantial impact on the rake when the forks unload and the rear compresses...

I am keen to collect some data, I am going to put up a request for spring and measurement data, if a number of people provide the data along with weight I will try to develop a base setting for us all... Not easy based on the differing riding styles..

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Old Feb 5th 2013, 08:19 AM   #34
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So if i'm reading your posts correctly, the Ohlin's on the S can be used effectively, while changing out the rear spring, and the front fork springs & oil, and changing the oil gap in the forks?
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Old Feb 5th 2013, 11:31 AM   #35
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Yep, they are set up overly firm for most road riding and need to be softened for compliance
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Old Feb 14th 2013, 08:21 AM   #36
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Thanks for starting this thread Bowdy

I don't know if you remember this infamous test rider, but it looks like his voice was loud enough for Ducati to setup all Panigales specially for him

mine should be fine then !
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Old Feb 14th 2013, 08:22 AM   #37
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Apparantly, no one seems to use or try the progessive linkage when not riding track..


if the track is not your prime goal : shouldn't this be applied before swapping springs and internals?
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Old Feb 14th 2013, 05:02 PM   #38
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Apparantly, no one seems to use or try the progessive linkage when not riding track..

if the track is not your prime goal : shouldn't this be applied before swapping springs and internals?
Actually, plenty of have gone that route and there are lots of threads pointing at that as a solution. The problem with it is that it's a band-aid for an oversprung shock in most cases, and since the overall motion ratio is the same in either position (same overall total wheel and shock travel), what happens is the rear end squats down a bit and then packs when it hits the stiff part of the linkage curve. That's because while the suspension starts our softer with the link on P, the latter part of the suspension travel gets stiffer than with the link in F - it has to, after all. I tried it for a while, and while the bike did ride smoother over bumps in a straight line, I didn't like what it did to the handling in corners so I put the link back in F. Just need to nail down proper springs and then worry about whether the damping needs more sorting for road use.

FWIW, RaceTech says the stock spring rates on the base model are appropriate for a 160lb/72kg rider, which I'm not sure I agree with since I'm having to run more free sag than I should to get proper loaded sag.
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Old Feb 14th 2013, 07:04 PM   #39
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On the money Steve!!! I'm not quite sure of Kobe's view, clearly needs to read the threads from past discussions, I've had a bit of time with both race bikes now and have spent time with tyres, traction control and suspension, like I've said in other threads, I'm using 30 years of racing experience, the IOM, Bathurst, NW200... Countless short circuits... But I'm open to other people's opinions... All manufactures have to sell a road bike with some semblance of compromise... Not everyone is 65kg wet and rides like stoner...

Mr Kobe is a fan of the R, I appreciate it when people are committed to a journey, however for most of us the base or S is a fine package.. Those of us who HAVE to purchase due to rules for racing see the value in the base model... All bikes in the United States of Australia are ABS models so that's a fortunate win for us pour Aussies...

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as i stated: instead of moaning that the R isn't special enough, we should all rejoyce on what a demon of a bike the 'base is! and i must say i did opt for the R more from a 'indulgence' point of view than from rational point of view...

i'm even contemplating to do a base project next year or so and to go for a Marelli fiddling setup... just for the heck of it...

and racing is a completely different reality as you have to comply... couldn't agree more..

NW 200 - now that is a man's race! dear oh dear! my mind is too small to grasp how you get over the fright !
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