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Old May 28th 2014, 05:21 AM   #41
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Hey, guys thanks for the kind words.

I have been contacted by a few networks. If it all works out, I should be able to have the bike repaired for free (this was my request). But we'll see. Pretty crazy to see yourself nearly getting killed all over TV .
Whoooot! seeing the vid over and over, i really wonder how you made it. I mean, what did you do when the bike in front of you suddenly gripped and flew up towards you?

Jump? duck? let go?

how many hits do you have now? half a million? theat vid is also on my favorite german site gaskrank.tv ...
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Old May 29th 2014, 03:04 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by MrKO View Post
Hey, guys thanks for the kind words.

I have been contacted by a few networks. If it all works out, I should be able to have the bike repaired for free (this was my request). But we'll see. Pretty crazy to see yourself nearly getting killed all over TV .
This whole situation is horrible, but at least there is a potential for a positive resolution. Fingers crossed, hate to see a fellow track junkie go through this.
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Old May 29th 2014, 03:11 PM   #44
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Holly shit that was a nasty wreck...
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Old May 29th 2014, 04:57 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Phl View Post
Whoooot! seeing the vid over and over, i really wonder how you made it. I mean, what did you do when the bike in front of you suddenly gripped and flew up towards you?

Jump? duck? let go?

how many hits do you have now? half a million? theat vid is also on my favorite german site gaskrank.tv ...
I actually do remember ducking down to the right. Guess I flew into the bike as mine flipped. Hitting my left shoulder and top of my head (knocking me out). The camera location makes the wreck look a little worse than it was. I mean the bike didnt hit me directly, but then again I did hit it and fly about 30ft.
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Old May 29th 2014, 05:07 PM   #46
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First off we all have to remember that what we do is not golf, it comes with inherent risks. And in Defense of the CR (and all CR's) they are out there burning up their energy, gas, tires, and brakes as Volunteers!. they are not paid.
I'm friends with many CR's and I see the time and dedication they put in to help people at the track. They go out in the rain, in the cold, when they are tired, etc.
And remember, there are a lot of track orgs out there that don't offer much of anything for CR's or Coaches.
Many places you have to pay for the extra attention.
I've spent my time behind CR's waiting for a wave by too, just like a lot of you, but remember, the number one goal of the CR's is your safety, not to piss you off, or hold you back. Also, remember, Don't sit 5 bike lengths behind a CR in a twisty section and then get mad that they didn't turn around (in a turn) and see you and give you a wave by. If you want them to see you, show em a wheel, let them know you are there.

Are they all perfect all the time, maybe not, but none of us are. That particular CR has had nothing but great things said about him, and he is a Very Capable rider. I have sympathy for him, as he now has a very nice bike (lots of pricey parts) on it that was wrecked. and he ended up in the hospital. (not the guy in front that crossed the track)
What a lot of people don't see is how the rider in front chopped the throttle and tried swerving over to pit in at the last minute. Without a hand up mind you. He also happens to be one of the riders that had already been talked to that morning about poor pit in procedures. (Yes I was there)

I'm glad the injuries weren't worse, and heck, maybe you will even make some money off the video to help pay for repairs (as I recall someone at the track offered to send you a new set of bodywork for your bike for free)

I hope to see all parties back at the track in good spirits. And I also hope the first rider "listens" to the rules a little better next time.
Ok Rant over
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First off we all have to remember that what we do is not golf, it comes with inherent risks. And in Defense of the CR (and all CR's) they are out there burning up their energy, gas, tires, and brakes as Volunteers!. they are not paid.
I'm friends with many CR's and I see the time and dedication they put in to help people at the track. They go out in the rain, in the cold, when they are tired, etc.
And remember, there are a lot of track orgs out there that don't offer much of anything for CR's or Coaches.
Many places you have to pay for the extra attention.
I've spent my time behind CR's waiting for a wave by too, just like a lot of you, but remember, the number one goal of the CR's is your safety, not to piss you off, or hold you back. Also, remember, Don't sit 5 bike lengths behind a CR in a twisty section and then get mad that they didn't turn around (in a turn) and see you and give you a wave by. If you want them to see you, show em a wheel, let them know you are there.

Are they all perfect all the time, maybe not, but none of us are. That particular CR has had nothing but great things said about him, and he is a Very Capable rider. I have sympathy for him, as he now has a very nice bike (lots of pricey parts) on it that was wrecked. and he ended up in the hospital. (not the guy in front that crossed the track)
What a lot of people don't see is how the rider in front chopped the throttle and tried swerving over to pit in at the last minute. Without a hand up mind you. He also happens to be one of the riders that had already been talked to that morning about poor pit in procedures. (Yes I was there)

I'm glad the injuries weren't worse, and heck, maybe you will even make some money off the video to help pay for repairs (as I recall someone at the track offered to send you a new set of bodywork for your bike for free)

I hope to see all parties back at the track in good spirits. And I also hope the first rider "listens" to the rules a little better next time.
Ok Rant over
Chis, this is the only forum I have said a word about how I felt on the situation. I was mum on facebook and on my youtube video. I was wondering if you were a member here. I have been told by many that Scott is/was (hes old now ) an amazing rider. I am sorry he got hurt in his own wreck, glad I didnt die in his wreck .... you feel me? My first ride on that bike. Full Superbike built motor, decked out. What you want me to feel sorry ? I agree Jarvis (red bike) chopped the throttle, but was the distance in which Scott was executing the pass necessary. Could he have made a much safe pass just as easily ?? Why did he have to be so close? I think these are valid questions. You guys need to stop, it was on both guys man. The idea of safe following distance applies in all motorsports unless you are racing, we were not racing.
I was offered parts at the track, I did not know who that was at the time that I was talking to him (I also had a concussion at the time). I have not heard anything about it, and really I wasnt expecting to. I was more hurt that not a single person followed up or even came over to me. And I had owners of other orgs contact me , along with many other people. So ya, it put a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth.
Chris, you helped me (a ton) with my first track day at Summit on my 1199. Your a good guy. I am sure all of you guys are, but the way NESBA CR's ride are a bit unlike any other org. For better and for worse.

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I havent made a dime from MY VIDEO and may make about a grand if I'm lucky. So dont let all press confuse you with the real deal. Its just one of thousands of crazy videos on the internet. I actually almost took it down.
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Originally Posted by chrisplm View Post
First off we all have to remember that what we do is not golf, it comes with inherent risks. And in Defense of the CR (and all CR's) they are out there burning up their energy, gas, tires, and brakes as Volunteers!. they are not paid.
I'm friends with many CR's and I see the time and dedication they put in to help people at the track. They go out in the rain, in the cold, when they are tired, etc.
And remember, there are a lot of track orgs out there that don't offer much of anything for CR's or Coaches.
Many places you have to pay for the extra attention.
I've spent my time behind CR's waiting for a wave by too, just like a lot of you, but remember, the number one goal of the CR's is your safety, not to piss you off, or hold you back. Also, remember, Don't sit 5 bike lengths behind a CR in a twisty section and then get mad that they didn't turn around (in a turn) and see you and give you a wave by. If you want them to see you, show em a wheel, let them know you are there.

Are they all perfect all the time, maybe not, but none of us are. That particular CR has had nothing but great things said about him, and he is a Very Capable rider. I have sympathy for him, as he now has a very nice bike (lots of pricey parts) on it that was wrecked. and he ended up in the hospital. (not the guy in front that crossed the track)
What a lot of people don't see is how the rider in front chopped the throttle and tried swerving over to pit in at the last minute. Without a hand up mind you. He also happens to be one of the riders that had already been talked to that morning about poor pit in procedures. (Yes I was there)

I'm glad the injuries weren't worse, and heck, maybe you will even make some money off the video to help pay for repairs (as I recall someone at the track offered to send you a new set of bodywork for your bike for free)

I hope to see all parties back at the track in good spirits. And I also hope the first rider "listens" to the rules a little better next time.
Ok Rant over

just for clarification purposes - are you saying CR's get zero compensation for their work ? This includes anything of value that may be given 'in kind' ? somehow i seriously doubt that. just because you dont actually pocket the money doesnt mean you didnt gain a benefit that others had to pay for.

what i dont understand is why can't we just say a huge mistake was made ? riders down, red flags out so its pretty obvious but yet nesba/n2 wants to circle the wagons and spin it into someone else's mistake. it's so bad its obvious they have banned any and all discussion of it on the nesba/n2 message boards. looks like more circling the wagons to try more coverups...
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Old May 29th 2014, 07:36 PM   #49
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It's never nice being involved in a accident especially when other riders are involved things happen really quickly out there and mistakes will happen even at the highest level.
I feel sorry for everyone that gets involved in a track incident like this it can weigh heavily on all parties involved especially when everyone is viewing it on youtube .
Your bike can be fixed just thank god or someone as equal as him that no was killed .
I had a major crash racing last year where my bike took another rider out it destroyed his bike and mine and he ended up I hospital it played a major part in me giving up racing knowing how close we came to dying as it was very high speed crash.
The most important thing is to forget who's fault it may be everyone else will have a opinion but in reality it's none of their business .

I hope you can move on from this and not let it effect your love for the track as it has done to me I hope to be back there soon myself .
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Old May 29th 2014, 08:59 PM   #50
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At 5 seconds there is a red flag and at 15 seconds a rider puts his hand up and slows down ( probably in response to the red flag). CR should have seen the flag, CR are there to maintain control but unfortunately many take this as an opportunity to play. Even though it's a racetrack it's not a race and if a CR sees someone riding erratic they should maintain a gap or pull the person in to show them the line.

Rider in front was slowing and CR was moving to the right. I've never been to N2 or NESBA and I wonder how detailed are the instructions for red clad protocol.

1. put up hand or leg out to signal you will be doing something abnormal
2. Move off racing line(as someone could have spilled oil on track)
3. Slow down to some agreed speed , no passing/racing

Accidents do happen, riders have brain fade or suffer from delayed reaction but this can be minimized by proper training and discipline or CR and riders alike.
Some organizations are run better than others and have reduced occurrences of this kind of avoidable I incident.
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