1198 vs 1299

pigpenracing · Apr 28, 2015

Hey guys,
I just bought a mint 2011 Ducati 1198 with 1900 miles. The bike is awesome, I love the looks and it just feels great all around. I was looking hard at the new 1299 but chose the 1198 for several reasons. I like the dry clutch and the more boxy look with the tubular frame. My thought is it still has the Ducati old school look. This is the first bike I have had with the quick shifter, it is awesome! I do street riding and we have lots of awesome roads where I live, no track days for me. I read the 1199 lost all the torque the 1198 had. Did this all get put back in on the 1299? I have a buddy looking to buy a Ducati also. He is also looking at the 1198 vs the 1299. Just trying to figure out how the 1299 and 1198 compare? Just curious how the engines perform against each other? I did lots of reading and people seemed to be upset selling the 1198 to get the 1199 when it came out. I just took mine in for service and the Ducati mechanic also had a 1198. He said there is no way he would sell it for a 1199 or 1299. I would like some thoughts from people who have ridden both.

wilkson · Apr 28, 2015

They don't compare .The 1199/1299 series are superior on ever level IMO . If you like the look of the 1198 over the current bike and nostalgia is your thing then it will be more suited .

pigpenracing · Apr 28, 2015

I got the bike I like. I am asking these questions for my buddy. I know the 1299 has wheelie control and all the other traction stuff. We care nothing about that. I have my traction control off all the time. The fun of the bike is being fun doing wheelies and spinning. That is why I like my quick shifter so much. I get it up on a wheelie in second and just shift gears

So my main question is about the 1299 engine. Does it have torque like my 1198 or is it just a higher strung engine?

wilkson · Apr 28, 2015

Apparently . Tell him to get a 1098 it was a nicer motor compared to the 1198 . What is it you guys want out of a motorcycle ? You know you can turn the electronics off .

Chaotic · Apr 28, 2015

wilkson said:
What is it you guys want out of a motorcycle ?

Kinda what I was thinking.

Anything with a clutch can be wheelied (even a lawn mower if you try hard enough)...and clutch wheelies are safer anyway.

Tell your buddy to go get an old Honda F4i and be done with it.

pigpenracing · Apr 28, 2015

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Chaotic said:
Kinda what I was thinking.

Anything with a clutch can be wheelied (even a lawn mower if you try hard enough)...and clutch wheelies are safer anyway.

Tell your buddy to go get an old Honda F4i and be done with it.

Maybe he can get a Grom and ride with you smart ..........
Me and my buddy have been on bikes for 25 years. Gsxr 1000's, Hayabusa's, Turbo bikes, KTM 1290 Superduke. Had them all. I am digging the Ducati since I got one and he has always liked them also.
So no one can answer my question about the engine???? Does the 1299 have torque or is it high strung like a inline 4?
And anything can't do 140 plus mph wheelies like I do on my 1198.

b9009b · Apr 28, 2015

The 1299 does have torque. It's a Duc. I would have your friend look at a 1098r

Chaotic · Apr 28, 2015

pigpenracing said:
Maybe he can get a Grom and ride with you smart ..........

So no one can answer my question about the engine???? Does the 1299 have torque or is it high strung like a inline 4?

And anything can't do 140 plus mph wheelies like I do on my 1198.

Please do.

The 1299 has plenty of torque for your 140mph wheelies (which I am sure are done in a safe, completely isolated location away from the general public).

Prince Albert · Apr 28, 2015

I have a 999s (trackbike), have owned a 1098S, 1198S and now 1199S Tricolore...

Without a doubt both my 1098s and 1198s had a lot of torque, but they were clumsy as .... compared to my 1199s. I changed the gearing on my 1199s and added the rapid bike fuel module and the bike has torque at the .......

i can only imagine that the new 1299 takes this experience to a somewhat higher level ...

Chaotic · Apr 28, 2015

Also to the OP (or the OP's friend), keep in mind that gearing changes can always be made. The 1299 has insane mid-range (even when compared to other Liter bikes)...and if more is desired, a full exhaust, dyno tune and +2 rear sprocket would do the trick.

Macattack · Apr 28, 2015

I've had a few ducatis - loved the 1098 for its raw power.
A friend of mine is very fast on a racetrack and a real credible opinion .He has a ton of time on both at the race track at speed. he said that the panigale is more like a 600 in the handling department . He talked about the motor a little bit but really focused on the differences in turning and transitioning . I knew the 1098 1198 series had some really high hurdles to make it handle well, so what my friend was saying sold me on the Panigale . I too will miss the dry clutch. in the end the motors could be equal and id still be wanting the panigale. the numbers don't show the motors being equal though .

JDBeretta · Apr 28, 2015

The 1299 has about 10ft lbs more torque than the 1198.

As it was said, if you're after that Duc nostalgia look (and like the 1198 look), the 1198 is your choice.

I've ridden a 1098 (not the 1198) and have a 1299s coming this week (or next). I can report back when I have had some time to get a feel for it, but I don't think that'll change your opinion. Even if someone said "the 1198 is not even comparable to the 1299", would it change your opinion? That has already basically been said, in case you missed it.

If you love the looks of the 1198 and it suits your every want and need, why is his even a question? It's an awesome bike. Ride it. Enjoy it. Be safe on it. Tell your buddy to buy what he wants. You already explained that he's not tracking the bike, so either way you've got more bike than can be ridden in a street scenario. And that includes putting it up on one and riding your gears out as far as possible, and covering the under tail section with rubber.

wilkson · Apr 28, 2015

I actually don't know how some of you guys can miss the dry clutch the wet clutch is a massive improvement .

pigpenracing · Apr 28, 2015

Thanks guys..

Macattack · Apr 28, 2015

wilkson said:
I actually don't know how some of you guys can miss the dry clutch the wet clutch is a massive improvement .

if you're talking about my saying I'll miss the dry clutch
I know the wet clutch is better on the street bike , I will miss the race aspect of the dry clutch. I will miss the loud rattle and the dirty mess it makes. I know one is better on the racetrack and one is better on the street . I will miss the loud dirty dry clutch even though I know the wet clutch is better for a street bike. afaik moto gp bikes still use a dry clutch . wet may be better but I'd prefer dry LOL

wilkson · Apr 28, 2015

I would much rather have a wet clutch on my race bike . The dry clutch is fine when it works well but in my mind it is more trouble than having any real advantage other than keeping the oil cleaner

wilkson · Apr 28, 2015

Macattack said:
if you're talking about my saying I'll miss the dry clutch
I know the wet clutch is better on the street bike , I will miss the race aspect of the dry clutch. I will miss the loud rattle and the dirty mess it makes. I know one is better on the racetrack and one is better on the street . I will miss the loud dirty dry clutch even though I know the wet clutch is better for a street bike. afaik moto gp bikes still use a dry clutch . wet may be better but I'd prefer dry LOL

I do get why some people like certain things and that's cool . The latest is not always the best and I get that

HarmonyJim · Apr 28, 2015

wilkson said:
I would much rather have a wet clutch on my race bike . The dry clutch is fine when it works well but in my mind it is more trouble than having any real advantage other than keeping the oil cleaner

And being easier to change the clutch pack at the racetrack in the howling wind!!

love2ride · Apr 28, 2015

Macattack said:
I've had a few ducatis - loved the 1098 for its raw power.
A friend of mine is very fast on a racetrack and a real credible opinion .He has a ton of time on both at the race track at speed. he said that the panigale is more like a 600 in the handling department . He talked about the motor a little bit but really focused on the differences in turning and transitioning . I knew the 1098 1198 series had some really high hurdles to make it handle well, so what my friend was saying sold me on the Panigale . I too will miss the dry clutch. in the end the motors could be equal and id still be wanting the panigale. the numbers don't show the motors being equal though .

I wish my 1098 had a wet clutch mate!! I believe they last longer as well compared to the dry clutch don't they.

zaster · Apr 28, 2015

As always it all depends on what you want from a bike.
My 1098S was a blast to ride, I loved the torque and the sound of the full Termis, I do miss her for that.
In comparison to my 1199R she felt like a fat sloppy pig with an attitude.
The ease in corner entry and handling in comparison felt like day and night.
Some folks have thrown money at the 1198 to overcome some of its shortcoming, to each their own.
I better stop now or I might start talking myself into getting a 1299 ;-)

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