1199/1299 Heat Issues.............New Question?s?

I live in Raleigh, NC. In the summer, it routinely gets to 110 F. I still ride.

Yes, it can get uncomfortable if I get caught in stop and go, but I have learned to deal with it. I don't have sliders or other 'enhanced' jeans. I just were regular jeans, alpinestars boots, a textile jacket with armor, alpinstars gauntlets and a helmet.

The thighs do get mighty toasty, but I still commute 36 miles (round trip) 3 days a week when it isn't raining.

Yes this is way hotter than my previous GSX-R750 (2008 model), but I really don't care. There is something about my 14 1199 that is hypnotic. I have never owned a motorcycle before that I want to stare at in the garage. I clean it more often and more thoroughly than I did the Gixxer.

Cannot explain it, but once you catch the bug, there is no turning back.

I cannot understand why some want to sugar coat the heat or deny it outright. It is DEFINITELY there. But what the hell... I love this bike and will continue to ride it regardless of outside temperature.

And this is my 14th street bike. My first Ducati. I have owned 7 hondas and 6 suzukis prior to my 1199.

So, go with your gut... If you really want one like I did... Pull the trigger. You will be surprised what you can put up with.

I figured if I could get married and put up with a Woman for the rest of my life, a bit of heat from my motorcycle was small potatoes...

endodoc said:

Seems like everyone has a different approach to this issue and it seems that for some the heat issue is not an issue at all. For me, this was a ground up project build so all options were open. I took a systematic approach to what from an engineering perspective seemed to make sense. Looking at the HRC radiator on my 1000rr compared to the 1299 it's obvious that the Ducati is under radiated based on thermal numbers. Your limited in width on the radiarors but there was some room for improvement in core thickness. The stock fan works but by the time it is triggered your past the point of really effectively modulating heat progression. Switching the fan on at 190 is a better alternative. The stock subframe is aluminum. It is directly bolted to the engine and effectively becomes a giant heat sink which you are now sitting on. Couple that with a steel header pipe that does not dissipate heat as well as Titanium and a heat shield made of more ineffective heat dissipating material and, well you have a flipping hot ride. If you don't think the subframe is an issue ask Shiftech how the sale of their CF subframe shields are selling. It's an issue. The CF subframe made a large difference. My solutions for the most part are not financially practical however the scope of the thread was solution based, not based on practicality or feasibility.

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You are right about the subframe. All of the burns and heat problems for me comes directly from my legs coming in direct contact with the subframe (especially the screw area right under the tank). I installed the tech spec grip pads (super thick pads) and surprisingly that helped tremendously. They are ultra thick and helps keep a little space between my legs and the subframe. Now when I feel my legs get too hot, I simply bring them up higher onto the tank pads. It helps but the heat is still there. I just dont get blisters any more. Keep moving is my alternative method.

All in all, you learn to deal with it. Its a big negative but by no means does it outshine just how bad ... this bike is....price of admission? Perhaps

endodoc said:

Outhouse, I am assuming that you have the Akra pipe and shield installed and that you had removed the engine covers and have now reinstalled them? Is this an accurate assumption? Additionally we took a slew of pyrometr data from the subframe. It is definitely a large contributor to "Rider" temp issues. I would love to see your thermal data on the pipe and engine heat.

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You have assumed wrong.

Full termi all covers and wrapped exhaust with the latest larger CF heat shield.



ALL of which helped greatly in canyon runs in 100f temps.



The issue here when the engine runs over 200f the WHOLE engine is a heat pump.


Only had one issue on one day in 3 very hot summers and it was on a 300 mile ride, where I was stuck in 35mph traffic for an hour when it was 100f out.

For this THE ONLY way to address the heat is a larger radiator to keep the engine below 200f.


At 195f there is never a heat issue

2wheelfreak - I'm also in Az and have been riding a new 1299 for the last 6 weeks. My take so far is that the heat from the bike makes it pretty unbearable during the mid afternoon. I've gone to mostly night riding at this point, but I think this has less to do with the Panigale then it does with the fact that full gear in 98+ degree weather sucks.

I've just swapped in the full Akra system and have noticed that the heat seems to have shifted more to the subframe now. I've got the shift-tech covers on order and hopefully that will get things a bit more civilized.

As bad as the heat is when the weather is hot, it's actually nice to have on cooler nights. When it's in the 50s, having that lower body heater is actually a bonus feature.

ScroogeMcDuc said:

2wheelfreak - I'm also in Az and have been riding a new 1299 for the last 6 weeks. My take so far is that the heat from the bike makes it pretty unbearable during the mid afternoon. I've gone to mostly night riding at this point, but I think this has less to do with the Panigale then it does with the fact that full gear in 98+ degree weather sucks.

I've just swapped in the full Akra system and have noticed that the heat seems to have shifted more to the subframe now. I've got the shift-tech covers on order and hopefully that will get things a bit more civilized.

As bad as the heat is when the weather is hot, it's actually nice to have on cooler nights. When it's in the 50s, having that lower body heater is actually a bonus feature.

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Your experiencing the difference between exhaust heat, and engine heat.


The akra heat shield is pathetic at best, and similar to he first Termi heatshield which was also terrible.


When you have engine temps over 200f, then combine a bad heat shield the heat is compounded and no fun unless you can keep speed high enough to wash the heat off from both sources.

Carbon fiber heat shields for the exhaust and carbon fiber subframe covers with water wetter or engine ice in the radiator pretty much cures the heat problems here in Texas where it is notorious for getting into the 110° - 115° regularly during the summer months.

I would go with the methods employed by Outhouse. Unfortunately, I do not poses the ability to know what works and what does not work unless I have tried it, taken data on it and logged it. I replaced the radiator and fan mod last. The subframe before that and the pipe and engine covers were the first change. Im now thinking what was a noticeable reduction in rider discomfort due to heat from the pipe and engine cover removal was completely psychosomatic. Give this a shot. Take the stock heat shield which is a steel liner and a plastic resin cover over the stock steel pipe and lay your hand on it while the bike is a temp. Then take find an Akra shield which is made with RCC and thermal lined over the Ti pipe and lay your hand on it. You be the judge. Additionally wearing jeans, I took a pair of plastic thigh protectors and rotated them so that they were under the thighs facing downward and inward. I used a handheld Fluke digital infrared meter to measure the heat on the plastic pads. The mods produced a considerably cooler heat signature which is why I kept the mods . This is what i based my assessment and ultimately my comment on.

endodoc said:

I would go with the methods employed by Outhouse. Unfortunately, I do not poses the ability to know what works and what does not work unless I have tried it, taken data on it and logged it. I replaced the radiator and fan mod last. The subframe before that and the pipe and engine covers were the first change. Im now thinking what was a noticeable reduction in rider discomfort due to heat from the pipe and engine cover removal was completely psychosomatic. Give this a shot. Take the stock heat shield which is a steel liner and a plastic resin cover over the stock steel pipe and lay your hand on it while the bike is a temp. Then take find an Akra shield which is made with RCC and thermal lined over the Ti pipe and lay your hand on it. You be the judge. Additionally wearing jeans, I took a pair of plastic thigh protectors and rotated them so that they were under the thighs facing downward and inward. I used a handheld Fluke digital infrared meter to measure the heat on the plastic pads. The mods produced a considerably cooler heat signature which is why I kept the mods . This is what i based my assessment and ultimately my comment on.

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You did all the right things.

We are all combatting two heat sources, and the worst of two evils is the engine heat. The bolded addressed that perfectly.


On a track its not an issue unless your very competitive and then your working the motor so hard the better radiator comes in very handy.


Ceramic is better then wrap, I'm just cheap and it works combined with the larger heatshield

I have a brand new set of Shift-Tech subframe heat shields if anyone needs them. Also we are going to be making some prototype high modulus RCC pipe shields in the next month or so. This hybrid fiber has ceramic like thermal properties properties. We have been using it on an experimental turbine engine project and its pretty amazing. Its almost cool to the touch at peak EGT.

Current setup

Well, it is getting winter now and the heat from the bike is really nice.
I wonder if the superbike setup pipes will become an option, I think those two mid pipes will make a difference.

2WHEELFREAK said:

Yes I used the search function to see if I could find information to the questions I'm asking, but couldn't find anything. I know the heat issue has been beat to death, but here goes.........

What type of clothing are you guys wearing while riding when experiencing the extreme heat issue?

While wearing full leathers, does this problem still exist from the exhaust/rear head engine heat? Regardless the time of year here in AZ, I'll still wear full leathers while riding 95% of the time and very limited riding in town. I don't mind sweating in leathers, but don't want to sweat and get roasted too. Although full leathers are not ideal for everyone, I'd like to know if the heat remains a problem or not.

Those of you who wear jeans, are you buying special bike jeans, modifying your jeans to combat the heat or just wearing off-the-shelf jeans and getting roasted?

I won't even ask if you ride in shorts!

I've owned multiple bikes over the years and some would get toasty depending on what I chose to wear while riding or location.

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Dainese laguna seca full leathers. No difference. It's a furnace at anything below 140km/h . On track it's probably OK as 20min is maximum time and concentrating . Bottom line if heat bothers you , think twice. It doesn't go away !

I know many people who wanted one and bought something else . Just because of the friggin heat. Sad really, as its a stunner in all respects.

Moving to the full Akro has notched the heat up to another level. I'm probably going to do a header wrap as well as the subframe covers now.

Re: Upgrading the radiator, anyone here have any experience with these guys?:

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I'd gladly drop $450 EUR to get this heat under control...

4 years into the Panigale, we are still talking about the heat. It gets hot, there's no way around it. It's not an everyday bike you can use to weave around traffic and be comfortable.

jyli19 said:

4 years into the Panigale, we are still talking about the heat. It gets hot, there's no way around it. It's not an everyday bike you can use to weave around traffic and be comfortable.

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You are right , 4 years. You'd think by now Ducati would have done something about it ? Obviously they sell enough not to care. I'll keep my 1098s, even though I have moved on to other brands for now.

Ive found less heat getting to my bum with the race seat.