1299s shutting off?

I don't have the NEW BMW, but I had the 2010 S1000RR, and it would randomly die too. Their forums have plenty of threads about the same thing, so it's not just Ducati.

yesterday on my way out of a parking lot she stalled 3 times. I gave her planty of throttle but just died. 3 times in 2 minutes. she was plenty warm after having just arrived there from a good ride, just for a coffee. I had to pull over to a nearby gas station and do a complete restart. Plenty of fuel in the tank. It may be my imagination but after restart she did seem to idle just a tad better, but can't be sure. only 250 km on her so far.

Ductape said:

yesterday on my way out of a parking lot she stalled 3 times. I gave her planty of throttle but just died. 3 times in 2 minutes. she was plenty warm after having just arrived there from a good ride, just for a coffee. I had to pull over to a nearby gas station and do a complete restart. Plenty of fuel in the tank. It may be my imagination but after restart she did seem to idle just a tad better, but can't be sure. only 250 km on her so far.

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There are so many of these stories about the Panigale stalling that it seems like those that DON'T have problems are the exception!
Some of the other Ducati's also stall like the Street Fighter. and the Multistrada and Diavel.. It have heard this from others owning these bikes..

I really believe it is an issue due to the extremely lean tuning these bikes get from the factory just to pass the EPA emissions etc. Hell. This is the only bike I have ever owned that IDLES at 1700 rpm LOL... It has always run exceptionally hot and ran real lean through most of the cruising range until I installed The Rapid Bike Racing module.. With the stock tune from the factory when it was new It literally melted and bubbled up a rear Carbon Fiber fender I had installed( and my friends 1299 S has melted his stock plastic fender/hugger) Well, SOMETHING is wrong when it happens to that many people..

Ducati just doesn't want to address it. At least not to the general public at large. They might deal with individuals like me that are requesting it to be fixed properly.. I have had my bike in the shop so many times I have lost count.. It is there right now.. I have had the bike down at the dealership more weekends than I have been able to ride it.
Ducati depends on those that just don't care and believe that "that is just the way the Ducati's are" and those that will just put up with it.. Well to each his own, but if you pay $25 grand for a bike and you are happy with it stalling and bucking and kicking when you are just cruising at 45 mph down the street etc. the go for it..!
I proved by adding the Rapid Bike to my bike that it can run well with good throttle response... I just need to get mine to stop having the throttle stick while de accelerating in 1st gear.. As I mentioned earlier ,,So far my bike has had the throttle plates adjusted, It has been retuned, The ECU was Reflashed (Then had a brand new ECU installed) It just had a whole new throttle body assembly installed and it STILL has the throttle stick EVERY time you roll off the throttle in first gear. It sticks around 3500 rpm for about a second or two then suddenly lets off. Scary if you don't know what to expect... Now the dealer wants to replace the entire clutch assembly..?? WTF??

Speedy

when my bike was new and stock I had a few stalls. at very slow speed it once almost caused me to dump the bike.

so I made some changes:
- charcoal canister - GONE, all hoses removed and plugged at the throttle bodies
- exhaust servo, also gone. Termis added and Tuneboy added with custom map. This made the biggest difference, along with the charcoal canister.
- secondary air injection system - that's completely gone too, valve removed and airbox plugged. So if you think the SAIS helps with idle, etc, well maybe if you're 100% stock, although I don't see how adding air to the exhaust would make for a smoother idle? But I can personally attest that completely deleting the entire system does not hurt rideability AT ALL.

I can't remember the last time my bike even threatened to stall.

My bike has stalled about 10 times thus far. 100% stock and she has about 475 miles on the clock. Headed in soon for the first service, but the dealer had already told me you cannot remove the charcoal canister in the 1299...lol. They also told me to wait until after my first service to see if the behavior continues. My bike has only stalled on me when decelerating/coming to a stop. Usually occurs while downshifting (clutchless) between 0-15 mph. It seems as though my bike has fuel issues at low rpms...for as many times as it has stalled, it has Almost stalled even more, but the rpms surge and sometimes catch it before it stalls.

It has Always started right up after it has stalled, but I'm not too happy about it either. I try and tell myself it's a track monster that isn't really suited for street riding, but deep down I know my logic is flawed. I am reluctant, and rightfully so, to start ripping out the canister, playing with the exhaust, and spending money on a new tune...but it looks like that's where I'm headed. I don't want to void the warranty and I certainly don't want to spend more money to have the bike run the way it should out of the box...

you won't void the warranty by ripping out that California-only emissions ......... search for the thread on charcoal canister removal - people have put clear instructions on how to remove the canister, and if you're OCD and want to remove the ENTIRE system, hoses and all, I posted a how-to on that.

I may be looking at a tune if the behaviour happens again. pretty sure it will by the sounds of it. I had a similar issue with my car after a new race tune was added. stalling at deceleration due to lean and low idle in the tune. Reprogrammed and fixed it. We don't have emmissions testing here in BC anymore so might as well dump the canister too.

How could the canister cause this?

Ductape said:

I may be looking at a tune if the behaviour happens again. pretty sure it will by the sounds of it. I had a similar issue with my car after a new race tune was added. stalling at deceleration due to lean and low idle in the tune. Reprogrammed and fixed it. We don't have emmissions testing here in BC anymore so might as well dump the canister too.

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Adding 8-10% fuel via Tuneboy at idle and off idle cured all my stalling issues.

Slowdive2 said:

How could the canister cause this?

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by filling with gas - Panigale tanks vent a LOT of fuel vapor, which condenses. Then when the system tries to reinject that fuel into the intake, it'll run overly rich.

kismetcapitan said:

when my bike was new and stock I had a few stalls. at very slow speed it once almost caused me to dump the bike.

so I made some changes:
- charcoal canister - GONE, all hoses removed and plugged at the throttle bodies
- exhaust servo, also gone. Termis added and Tuneboy added with custom map. This made the biggest difference, along with the charcoal canister.
- secondary air injection system - that's completely gone too, valve removed and airbox plugged. So if you think the SAIS helps with idle, etc, well maybe if you're 100% stock, although I don't see how adding air to the exhaust would make for a smoother idle? But I can personally attest that completely deleting the entire system does not hurt rideability AT ALL.

I can't remember the last time my bike even threatened to stall.

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Same here... I had a couple of stalls in the beginning, but after doing all of the above and more, I haven't had one in around 6,000 miles.

80shilling said:

Same here... I had a couple of stalls in the beginning, but after doing all of the above and more, I haven't had one in around 6,000 miles.

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My mechanic at Ducati knew right away what might be casuing my issue and plans to remove the canister at 1st service. I hope he's right!

kismetcapitan said:

by filling with gas - Panigale tanks vent a LOT of fuel vapor, which condenses. Then when the system tries to reinject that fuel into the intake, it'll run overly rich.

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So removal isn't strictly necessary...you just need to pull off the hose that goes to the throttle bodies and plug it?

Slowdive2 said:

So removal isn't strictly necessary...you just need to pull off the hose that goes to the throttle bodies and plug it?

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there's a hose from each throttle body that have a T-connection so only one hose actually reaches the canister. Plugging this hose gets the job done (although you'll need to extend the vent and drain lines from the fuel tank itself).

But by removing the right side electronics cover IIRC, you can access the throttle bodies directly, and with the right bolt, plug the hole and toss all those hoses. Can't recall the size off the top of my head, but in the charcoal canister thread, I detailed what I did and posted some pics too.

I spoke to my dealer and they have not yet removed the charcoal canister from the 1299. Is this something you would recommend I do on my own, take to my competent mechanic, or let Ducati do?

I pulled the charcoal canister within 150 miles of getting the bike. Has stalled twice in the last 800 miles.Of course both at a completely wrong time in traffic but started within a few tries.

Definitely going to buy some tuning products this winter. Either tune boy or rapid.

The mechanic at my dealership told me that removing the canister on a 1299 will throw a code . I don't know if it is BS or not. He said it was not an issue on the 1199's but is on the 1299's Maybe others out thee will know better.

At this point I am really careful not to screw with the factory stuff any further since the factory rep told my dealership's head mechanic that he had voided my warranty by reflashing the ECU. The dealer had to buy me another ECU!

I have never owned a bike with so many restrictions from the factory placed on it.. (and such little aftermarket stuff available).. I cannot even find an aftermarket windshield for the 1299 (no the 1199 version will NOT fit due to different mounting holes placement) it is ridiculous..

Speedy

speedy14 said:

The mechanic at my dealership told me that removing the canister on a 1299 will throw a code . I don't know if it is BS or not. He said it was not an issue on the 1199's but is on the 1299's Maybe others out thee will know better.

At this point I am really careful not to screw with the factory stuff any further since the factory rep told my dealership's head mechanic that he had voided my warranty by reflashing the ECU. The dealer had to buy me another ECU!

I have never owned a bike with so many restrictions from the factory placed on it.. (and such little aftermarket stuff available).. I cannot even find an aftermarket windshield for the 1299 (no the 1199 version will NOT fit due to different mounting holes placement) it is ridiculous..

Speedy

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There is a valve in the system that's controlled by the ECU. I just unplugged it and sealed it off with electrical tape and zipties. NOTHING remains of my charcoal canister system, except for that plug, and no codes at all. I yanked the secondary air injection system, unplugged and removed the valve - no codes or problems. Exhaust servo - unplugged and gone. No CEL, no codes.

the Ducati Performance high windscreen for the 1299 has worked very well for me. 4000 city miles and not a scratch.

Question for someone who may know. Does rapidbike evo void warranty (From Canada here).

Also does one endup losing all those features like engine break control the traditional way (ducati lcd menu) for some magic buttons one adds to the steering wheel?