1299s shutting off?

bradp51 · Nov 26, 2016

Alpha Male said:
We got the exact same problem but also the engine shuts off when down shifting and sometimes just idling at traffic lights.

We've already planning to get rid of the Panigale(s) for something much more reliable. It is a shame though the Panigale is the most sexiest bike on Earth.

Did I not read a post today from you talking about getting new CF hugger for your bike. Perhaps a waste of money if you are selling it.

TurboLag · Nov 26, 2016

Alpha Male said:
...but also the engine shuts off when down shifting and sometimes just idling at traffic lights.

That's the compromise of a low rotating mass, it won't be able to recover from a lean surge. Tuneboy, disable overrrun fuel cut, and give it a bit more up to 2500 rpm and taper off, at 0 and 4% TPS, and you will never have a unintended shut off again

Alpha Male · Nov 26, 2016

TurboLag said:
That's the compromise of a low rotating mass, it won't be able to recover from a lean surge. Tuneboy, disable overrrun fuel cut, and give it a bit more up to 2500 rpm and taper off, at 0 and 4% TPS, and you will never have a unintended shut off again

Could you tell me more about Tuneboy I never heard of it before

Are the ECU on our bikes made by Mitsubishi? WTF?? No wonder we are having so many problems !!!!

In Australia Mitsubishi is a joke of the car industry we call it "Bits Are Missing" aka Mitsubishi !!!

Now i know the truth why our Panigales are having so many problems !!!

Rogue · Nov 26, 2016

I just can't even...

Alpha Male · Nov 26, 2016

I've been watching a lot of videos on Tuneboy (never heard of it before) will it void my warranty?

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After watching that video i am really interested in buying one.

My question is can i use it on both my bikes or only on one Panigale ???

Have you guys had good experience with your tuneboy?

bradp51 · Nov 27, 2016

Alpha Male said:
Could you tell me more about Tuneboy I never heard of it before

Are the ECU on our bikes made by Mitsubishi? WTF?? No wonder we are having so many problems !!!!

In Australia Mitsubishi is a joke of the car industry we call it "Bits Are Missing" aka Mitsubishi !!!

Now i know the truth why our Panigales are having so many problems !!!

Go to Tuneboy website. All the info is there. Happy reading.

timbosocal · Nov 27, 2016

Alpha Male said:
Hey guys if we collate this problem from all of us here and make a website to appeal to everyone to step forward with this problem could we bring a law suit against Ducati and force a total recall on the Panigale until it's fixed?

Both of my Panigale dies when i pull the clutch !!!

Has anyone read this entire thread? Or is that too hard?

1. Have you changed the clutch lever to an aftermarket lever? If yes, try putting the original back on and see if that makes a difference.

2. Have you tried changing the ENGINE setting to HIGH? No, this isn't code to change to RACE mode. Read you manual and learn how to operate your motorcycle. RACE mode makes other changes to your electronics.

3. Have you set your DWC DUCATI Wheelie Control to a lower setting (1 or 2)

4. Have you tried setting most of the rest of your electronic intervention to the lowest level you are comfortable with?

Originally my Panigale was perfect. No stalling issues whatsoever. I added an Akrapovic slip on and upchip AND new levers at the same time. I ASSUMED the slip on and chip caused the new stalling issues. The dealer couldn't find anything wrong. I tried changing the electronics settings intil I changed my ENGINE setting to HIGH. It has been perfect since and the only stalling has been operator error (rectal cranial impaction) Not only that, but HIGH is really really fun!!!!!! (you know, part of the reason for buying a 205 HP superbike)

Alpha Male · Nov 27, 2016

timbosocal said:
Has anyone read this entire thread? Or is that too hard?

1. Have you changed the clutch lever to an aftermarket lever? If yes, try putting the original back on and see if that makes a difference.

2. Have you tried changing the ENGINE setting to HIGH? No, this isn't code to change to RACE mode. Read you manual and learn how to operate your motorcycle. RACE mode makes other changes to your electronics.

3. Have you set your DWC DUCATI Wheelie Control to a lower setting (1 or 2)

4. Have you tried setting most of the rest of your electronic intervention to the lowest level you are comfortable with?

Originally my Panigale was perfect. No stalling issues whatsoever. I added an Akrapovic slip on and upchip AND new levers at the same time. I ASSUMED the slip on and chip caused the new stalling issues. The dealer couldn't find anything wrong. I tried changing the electronics settings intil I changed my ENGINE setting to HIGH. It has been perfect since and the only stalling has been operator error (rectal cranial impaction) Not only that, but HIGH is really really fun!!!!!! (you know, part of the reason for buying a 205 HP superbike)

What you are saying is if you dont set the bike up this way the ducati will die on you - oh effing great mate really great.

It shouldn't have to die on you if you have different settings - this is Ducati's crap not a user settings fault (that's why we have modes an options right?).

If the bike cant' run in other modes other than what you have prescribed then why do we even have other modes available at all? That was the craziest .... i have ever read. Please eff off with the gay insult like "read the manual" ........ that .... is old !!!

Anyway my bike is still at the dealership can't even tell you what mode it is on now - the bike has been there almost 4 weeks lol.

FYI: none of my bikes are modded they dont even run properly since new what's the point of modding them? The only thing that's modded are the tail tidy.

One of my problem is the 1299S was bought from another dealership that went bankrupt or was forced to shut its door by Ducati.

endodoc · Nov 27, 2016

All valid points. There are so many possible scenarios if you factor hardware and software. It's not at all surprising that the individuals trained at the dealership level cannot diagnose these issues. The guys who built the components don't even know where to look other than the obvious. The most unfortunate issue is that in certain circumstances this does indeed present a potentially nasty outcome for the rider. Sometimes I guess progress is maybe not so hot. I don't think my Honda has died on me once and it has been through a lifetime of mods and abuse. I like tech but there was something to be said for the ability to tune a motor with an ear and a screwdriver. At least you had a pretty accurate idea of the mechanics. Today it's pretty involved and has all but eliminated the owner from having an intimate knowledge of their machine.

Alpha Male · Nov 27, 2016

endodoc said:
All valid points. There are so many possible scenarios if you factor hardware and software. It's not at all surprising that the individuals trained at the dealership level cannot diagnose these issues. The guys who built the components don't even know where to look other than the obvious. The most unfortunate issue is that in certain circumstances this does indeed present a potentially nasty outcome for the rider. Sometimes I guess progress is maybe not so hot. I don't think my Honda has died on me once and it has been through a lifetime of mods and abuse. I like tech but there was something to be said for the ability to tune a motor with an ear and a screwdriver. At least you had a pretty accurate idea of the mechanics. Today it's pretty involved and has all but eliminated the owner from having an intimate knowledge of their machine.

We are too afraid to ride our bikes - i know one day this problem is going to get us killed. When i have to ride a bike it will be the Harley i know i wont die on it !!!

People talk .... about the Harleys but i can tell you i have never ever had any mechanical failure with my Harleys

timbosocal · Nov 28, 2016

Alpha Male said:
What you are saying is if you dont set the bike up this way the ducati will die on you - oh effing great mate really great.

It shouldn't have to die on you if you have different settings - this is Ducati's crap not a user settings fault (that's why we have modes an options right?).

If the bike cant' run in other modes other than what you have prescribed then why do we even have other modes available at all? That was the craziest .... i have ever read. Please eff off with the gay insult like "read the manual" ........ that .... is old !!!

Anyway my bike is still at the dealership can't even tell you what mode it is on now - the bike has been there almost 4 weeks lol.

FYI: none of my bikes are modded they dont even run properly since new what's the point of modding them? The only thing that's modded are the tail tidy.

One of my problem is the 1299S was bought from another dealership that went bankrupt or was forced to shut its door by Ducati.

First off, the "read the manual" wasn't meant to be directed at you. Someone else on here thought I was talking in code about the engine mode.

And you have excellent points. I was afraid to ride my bike until I got it sorted out. The stalling issues only happen at the most inopportune times. In the middle of an intersection. And once I did get it sorted I thought it was rather annoying that I couldn't use all of these settings.

On the other hand, I absolutely love my Panigale now and I think that riding on these settings has forced me to get used to the power. Not a perfect situation. I never said it was.

Have you asked the dealer if they have checked the clutch lever switch? Have they reloaded the fuel map? What have they done?

Alpha Male · Nov 29, 2016

Hey guys good news:

Ducati Australia is getting closer to finding out the problem with engine shutting off when using clutch, they are now testing the quickshifter and it's looking to be progressing positively in the right direction of rectifying the problem.

Possibly a mass recall soon.

Martindfletcher · Nov 29, 2016

Let us know you find out, I get the clutch stall and quick shifter down only not working intermittently.

Alpha Male · Nov 29, 2016

Martindfletcher said:
Let us know you find out, I get the clutch stall and quick shifter down only not working intermittently.

My bikes are at the dealership for another 2 weeks waiting for Ducati to complete their testing so they could fix my bikes - i will let you know the result.

Ty1967 · Dec 12, 2016

Hi guys, I've also heard that a software update is in the works for the clutch switch and QS shut-off problems. However, the person I am in contact with had his shut-off problem solved by getting his throttle bodies balanced and set richer at low speeds. That is what we will be trying next month.

Alpha Male · Dec 13, 2016

Sadly after 4 weeks at the dealership our bikes are still not fixed

so this week we are getting our bikes back

TurboLag · Dec 13, 2016

It's down to fueling. Crazy lean because emission requirements and a huge bore.

Get a setup of your choice. Tuneboy, Woolich, Rapidbike, Powercommander, or any other. Just make sure you can apply a trim table to all TPS/RPM cells. Give the fueling a bump in your Idle cells (0% TPS up to about 2k rpm) and taper off on the next TPS line, and over one or two rpm cells. Do this, and your bike will never stall again, not even after loosing some compression (ask me how I know).

How much increase will vary between setups. I got the results I wanted when going +12 with Tuneboy.
I can even send a trim file for Tuneboy on a untuned map if you are interrested.

Alpha Male · Dec 13, 2016

Ladies and gents i got very good news they have found a fix for engine shut down when pulling the clutch manually, engine shut off when trying to take off, and while idling at traffic lights - they did extensive tests on other bikes in Eastern Australia that had the same issue.

They are going to replace the quick shifter and the Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) on our bikes - they have fixed the 2 bikes in Eastern Australia and the problem did not resurface so they are going to fix our bikes next.

It seems some bikes are built with superseded parts (so i was told by the dealership's service department) so some bikes will not have this problem unless you too have a brand new bike with superseded quick shifter and IMU.

Wouldn't surprise me at all because in Australia the bikes are shipped in mass and stored at a warehouse - once a customer pays for the bike they will stamp a plate on the bikes with a date of compliance on it (if the bike you've purchased is not in stock).

The parts are ordered and are coming direct from Italy so we wont get our bikes back until another 2 weeks i hope lol.

They wont let us have the bikes back until they fix it due to Australia's road safety regulations.

YAY great news !!!

Martindfletcher · Dec 14, 2016

Alpha Male said:
Ladies and gents i got very good news they have found a fix for engine shut down when pulling the clutch manually, engine shut off when trying to take off, and while idling at traffic lights - they did extensive tests on other bikes in Eastern Australia that had the same issue.

They are going to replace the quick shifter and the Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) on our bikes - they have fixed the 2 bikes in Eastern Australia and the problem did not resurface so they are going to fix our bikes next.

It seems some bikes are built with superseded parts (so i was told by the dealership's service department) so some bikes will not have this problem unless you too have a brand new bike with superseded quick shifter and IMU.

Wouldn't surprise me at all because in Australia the bikes are shipped in mass and stored at a warehouse - once a customer pays for the bike they will stamp a plate on the bikes with a date of compliance on it (if the bike you've purchased is not in stock).

The parts are ordered and are coming direct from Italy so we wont get our bikes back until another 2 weeks i hope lol.

They wont let us have the bikes back until they fix it due to Australia's road safety regulations.

YAY great news !!!

Any chance you can supply your serial number of the parts being replaced or the bike?

Mine does very rarely the quick shift down stops working and dies when pulling in the clutch to stop. It never stalls when taking off.

Alpha Male · Dec 14, 2016

Martindfletcher said:
Any chance you can supply your serial number of the parts being replaced or the bike?

Mine does very rarely the quick shift down stops working and dies when pulling in the clutch to stop. It never stalls when taking off.

I will be able to post those info soon at the moment my bikes are at 2 different dealerships and i have no way of getting there due to suspended license for 6 months.

Why would you need my serial number?

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