1299s vs Gixxer 1k

I just got my ... absolutely handed to me by a Gixxer doing a few street races.

1. "Street race" was on an empty toll road.
2. He pulled away EVERY GD time.. right from the start. We started at about 70mph. I was in 2nd.. redline, shift, redline, shift..

Anyone else do some head to head? How does your Duc fair? I was forced to ride my snobby man's bike down losers row tonight, and I'm pissed! lol

Any for head to heads? The only engine upgrade I have are the Termi carbon slips.

I'm hitting the track this weekend... hopefully to not go cry home to mummy again. ....... gixxers!

What rpm were you at?? I have a hard time believing a gixxer pulled you unless he had a ton of engine work done and way low gearing.

Yeah.. he had full tune, exhaust, and flash..

I was redline every blip.. I'll try pulling from first next time! I think he was a gear ahead of me was all..

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Which Track? Cresson on Sunday?

Yesirrr.. Cresson. Though the AMS Ducati folks seemed to think the Father's Day crowd isn't the best time to hit the track due to elevated inexperience levels.

I'll probably still be out there... Track in July/August doesn't sound that appetizing in TX!

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But just remember how good your bike looked losing to a ugly ... Suzuki

Maybe he was just quicker on the throttle and possibly knows his bike better than you know the Ducati at this stage

It is rather upsetting tho and we need to delete this entire thread immediately

Something I think people tenn to forget is that the Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and the Kawi are giving up 298cc's to the 1299. Its not a fair comparison really. No one would compare a 750 to a liter bike but no one bats an eyelash at the Duc having a substantially larger displacement does not make any additional HP relatively speaking. The "claimed" horsepower on the 1299 was also calculated without the restrictive air intake. Another "WTF" moment at Ducati R&D. I think the numbers posted were close to a 10 hp gain on the dyno with the tank removed. I have an 06 HRC kitted 1000rr with a true 205hp at the crank. Its faster than my 1299 even with all the mods and that bike is 10 years old. Its a lot easier and cheaper to make usable HP with the Japanese bikes. If you want a more accurate comparison, compare the Suzuki GSXR 1000 (999cc) to the 959 Panigale and see what happens. Thats certainly a more fair comparison with regard to displacement. The Duc gets crushed when the numbers approach "fair" not to mention the huge weight advantage 448lbs vs 367lbs (GSXR 1000 vs 1299). Drop the 1299's displacement to 999cc's and bolt on 81 lbs to the Duc and that thing would not even be competitive. What do you think a 1298cc 367lb ZX10R would do against the Ducati? Bottom line, the 1299 is a great bike certainly a lot better with mods but it has issues for sure.

Nope @endodoc you have your comparisons all wrong. 2 cylinders can't compete with 4 cylinder with the same capacity. That is why SBK currently runs <1200 v twin or <1000 fours. Has always been like that, back in the day the 998 ducati competed in 750 when SBK was still 750's.
You also can't just quote hp figures, take torque and weight into account and do a comparison then. It is also about the way a bike delivers the power to the road that matters, but I think these days with electronics it might become less of a consideration when you design the engine.

A buddy of mine has a '15 GSXR 1k and walks all over me at the track. It's not the bike though, he gets way more track time than I do because of my work schedule. We have some GoPro footage and I was pulling away from him on the straights.

LOL. It is what it is. The Ducati is a twin. Thats the bike they make. You directly said that a twin cant compete with a 4 cylinder of the same capacity. Kawi, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Aprilia, are all within a cc or two of each other. End of debate. Its not competitive on an even playing field and that "playing field" is everyone build the best platform you can with 998-999 CCs. Additionally I did quote weight. The Duc is 81 lbs lighter. 81 lbs lighter and 300 CCs of additional combustion creating power and its marginally competitive. As far as getting power to the ground and handling, another plus for the Japanese bikes. They have a real swing arm just like Ducati has to use in GP. The single sided swing arm in WSBK are heavily modified. Also why the Pierobon swing arm for the 1199 is traditional. In a nutshell, we are going to let you run a larger displacement engine "in class" because you chose to go with a platform the compared to all the other manufacturers in the series is inferior in terms of volumetric efficiency with regard to an internal combustion engine. The 1299 is at its limit stock. I changed the crank, rods and pistons and had the heads done. Its better for sure but this is the end of the line for the twin. The next production engine engine for Duc will have more than two cylinders. I guarantee it

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LOL. It is what it is. The Ducati is a twin. Thats the bike they make. You directly said that a twin cant compete with a 4 cylinder of the same capacity. Kawi, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Aprilia, are all within a cc or two of each other. End of debate. Its not competitive on an even playing field and that "playing field" is everyone build the best platform you can with 998-999 CCs. Additionally I did quote weight. The Duc is 81 lbs lighter. 81 lbs lighter and 300 CCs of additional combustion creating power and its marginally competitive. As far as getting power to the ground and handling, another plus for the Japanese bikes. They have a real swing arm just like Ducati has to use in GP. The single sided swing arm in WSBK are heavily modified. Also why the Pierobon swing arm for the 1199 is traditional. In a nutshell, we are going to let you run a larger displacement engine "in class" because you chose to go with a platform the compared to all the other manufacturers in the series is inferior in terms of volumetric efficiency with regard to an internal combustion engine. The 1299 is at its limit stock. I changed the crank, rods and pistons and had the heads done. Its better for sure but this is the end of the line for the twin. The next production engine engine for Duc will have more than two cylinders. I guarantee it

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I really wonder whether its going 3 or 4 cyl
Dealers keep their mouth shut or they are not informed yet.

Well, It will be more than 2 LOL. I have your hub bearings.

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Well, It will be more than 2 LOL. I have your hub bearings.

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Interesting topic...I don't know all the circumstances of the situation other than what you described, but the result isn't all that surprising to me.

I've had two Gixxers before (K6 and K5 sold recently) and have owned both'13 1199R and now 1299, and in direct comparison on the highway I can clearly feel the difference in pull (Gixxer stronger). To be fair, I'm still breaking my 1299 in and no mods, whereas my K6 had -1 front (but stock exhaust and no tune) and K5 had exhaust and tune. Weight wise, they feel about the same,1299 slightly lighter but not 80+lbs (is it possible previous quote was wet vs. dry weight?).

I still love the 1299 though - styling, sound most of the time (higher speeds I actually prefer my old K5 motor/exhaust), and handling (more flickable and easier to lean, although I'm no expert).

Great bikes and wish I could have both...

imnsho, if you really race and dont have way deep pockets, are a dealer or ducati sponsored, then the pani would really be the last choice bike you would want.... for street and casual track days, the pani is fantastic...

I still have a hard time seeing a gixxer pull a 1299. I've ran a few of my friends on my 1299S and also now with my R. I have a really hard one seeing a gixxer pull me

Valve areal is absolutt something to consider when discussing volume differences. Twins has half as many valves as the fours, and will bedre top end limited in comparison...

i don't think redlining it in every gear is the best tactic, past first gear I would shift right before the power starts to decline

I cant find a real good graph but looks to be around 10500

before this bike I had was a 12 r1 flashed full system, geared the 1299 is as fast as it stock. so if you got spanked by a gsxr1000 it is a very fast one

this should fire people up. first my 1199 yes i know its the 1199 cant stay with my hp4. it can for a few then the hp gets those rpms going and see ya its over. my friends r1 which has a tune etc... blows away my 1199 again we are talking street no turns etc.

second my friend who is an excellent rider has an R and he got worked by a s1000rr. again on the street in a basically straight line isnt the track but this result isnt surprising at all

on a side note you couldnt give me a gsxr 1000