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double0 said:
Actually, if it was a P90D Model S, it is farrrr from slow. 0-60 in like 2.8 seconds which is stupid fast for an all electric car that is also heavy as hell. That car is quicker than a lot of supercars out there from takeoff and even sportbikes. It just doesn't have the mid n top end grunt to be competitive but then again, that's not what it's built for. Still a bad ... electric car.
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Yep. I'm familiar with Musk's P90D Ludicrous Mode... It is a crazy fast car at least for a couple of passes. Ludicrous mode zaps the batteries fast!
 
Right.. He got me on launch, but I quickly overtook him. We also did a 3 mile race on some twisty Texas roads -- if you can believe that!.. and yes.. easily pulled away.

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shakazulu12 said:
I had a Tesla for a few weeks. Caught a TON of people out. Made quite a few passengers sick. Those things are oddly hilarious to drive. But the owners definitely have no clue what's in store for them if they line up next to a bike for more than a couple hundred feet.
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Yeah and how many full juice passes can you make before the batteries are toast and the fun is over? No thanks, not for me - never will be
 
Those Teslas are super quick. Full torque immediately so they pull like a train. My mate was the UK sales manager for a while and had one as a company car and spent his time 'promoting' it at various supercar trackdays. He would consistently embarrass £100k supercars, especially out of the corners because he always had full power.
 
ultra300x said:
Yeah and how many full juice passes can you make before the batteries are toast and the fun is over? No thanks, not for me - never will be
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Never used the Ludicrous mode. It's fast enough just stomping the pedal. I was getting around 200 miles a charge driving like an .... It's fine if you live in the city where there are charging stations everywhere. But the whole reason why I was driving it was because my friend had to go on a road trip and didn't trust the network outside of the city. So we swapped cars. I could see it not being a problem in 5 years though, but wouldn't own one as my only car either.
 
Just remember, those Teslas trap really poorly. On the roll, many cars that have a slower 1/4 ET will pull away from the Tesla with ease. In addition, top speed is a limiting factor for electric cars and becomes a highlighting issue the longer the races goes on.
 
kozumasbullitt said:
Just remember, those Teslas trap really poorly. On the roll, many cars that have a slower 1/4 ET will pull away from the Tesla with ease. In addition, top speed is a limiting factor for electric cars and becomes a highlighting issue the longer the races goes on.
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Yup, by 80 mph everything else starts coming roaring back past you in a big way. For me, it was more of a hooligan ride. Just being stupid at stoplights or launching out of corners on flowing back roads. It actually turns in ridiculously quick and feels a lot light than it is. I read somewhere it's because the batteries are all as low in the chassis as possible to get the center of gravity down, and that makes sense. Doesn't have much in the way of steering feel. I would say it grips more than it handles. Kinda like driving a video game really.

I wanted to hate that car, but after some time with it, I was actually a little sad to see it go. Then I built one on Tesla's website and realized an RS7 was about the same price. For a daily driver though, it's a pretty remarkable achievement. The GUI is off the charts good, seats are comfy, lots of interior space. But for how much they cost, the build quality isn't there and if you do the math it's really not all that much of a savings vs a gas car for "fuel" costs. I think I figured it out at a couple grand a year, less if you are charging on the go and not near a supercharger. But it's still basically a beta car IMHO, lots of room for improvement in the coming years.
 
royal said:
Those Teslas are super quick. My mate was the UK sales manager for a while and had one as a company car and spent his time 'promoting' it at various supercar trackdays. He would consistently embarrass £100k supercars, especially out of the corners because he always had full power.
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Whatever.

Your buddy can't embarrass a 70s Chevy Nova on a track. Why? Within several full throttle laps his batteries are drained and the Nova would sail right on by....

Electric cars are worthless on the track (for anything more than a few laps). Will that change with improved battery technology? it could, but all that extra weight will continue to be a major penalty the foreseeable future.
 
ultra300x said:
Whatever.

Your buddy can't embarrass a 70s Chevy Nova on a track. Why? Within several full throttle laps his batteries are drained and the Nova would sail right on by....

Electric cars are worthless on the track (for anything more than a few laps). Will that change with improved battery technology? it could, but all that extra weight will continue to be a major penalty the foreseeable future.
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I take it you've never seen Formula E...
 
Rogue said:
I was referring more to the "electric cars are worthless for more than a few laps" statement.
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He does have a point with electric cars being much more inconvenient compared to gas powered cars. I don't imagine too many race tracks have chargers to refuel electric cars.
 
I'm not an electric car fanboy and never would be but I fail to see why something like a Tesla couldn't do a full track day. Every track I've been to does 25-30 minute sessions on and off. Show up with a full charge, plug it in when you're off. Don't we all do the same with tire warmers anyway?

I'm also seeing mobile chargers.
 
Rogue said:
I'm not an electric car fanboy and never would be but I fail to see why something like a Tesla couldn't do a full track day. Every track I've been to does 25-30 minute sessions on and off. Show up with a full charge, plug it in when you're off. Don't we all do the same with tire warmers anyway?

I'm also seeing mobile chargers.
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Because without dedicated charging stations, it would take an eternity to get the charge up. On a typical 120V outlet, we are talking about 2 days continuous charge to go from 0-100%. On 230V, 0-100% is an overnight charge so figure a few hours between track runs. On a dedicated charger such as a Tesla supercharger, you can recharge from a half charge to 100% in 30 minutes.
 
I went on Sat and put a deposit for the bike, $1000, dealership has to qualify first, then ducati calls you to make sure you are legit. Sales dude said he will update me as soon as he finds out.
200 are allotted to N. America.
Question: it the bike comes with the slip on, does akrapovic sell the headers and linkage pipes to make it a full ... system without having to buy the slip-on again?
 
endodoc said:
Something I think people tenn to forget is that the Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and the Kawi are giving up 298cc's to the 1299. Its not a fair comparison really. No one would compare a 750 to a liter bike but no one bats an eyelash at the Duc having a substantially larger displacement does not make any additional HP relatively speaking. The "claimed" horsepower on the 1299 was also calculated without the restrictive air intake. Another "WTF" moment at Ducati R&D. I think the numbers posted were close to a 10 hp gain on the dyno with the tank removed. I have an 06 HRC kitted 1000rr with a true 205hp at the crank. Its faster than my 1299 even with all the mods and that bike is 10 years old. Its a lot easier and cheaper to make usable HP with the Japanese bikes. If you want a more accurate comparison, compare the Suzuki GSXR 1000 (999cc) to the 959 Panigale and see what happens. Thats certainly a more fair comparison with regard to displacement. The Duc gets crushed when the numbers approach "fair" not to mention the huge weight advantage 448lbs vs 367lbs (GSXR 1000 vs 1299). Drop the 1299's displacement to 999cc's and bolt on 81 lbs to the Duc and that thing would not even be competitive. What do you think a 1298cc 367lb ZX10R would do against the Ducati? Bottom line, the 1299 is a great bike certainly a lot better with mods but it has issues for sure.
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Umm, it isn't all about displacement. You do realize those other bikes have 4 cylinders, but the Duc only has 2, right? Not to mention the rate at which the pistons travel up and down.

Drop 2 cylinders off of those other bikes and see how they perform.
 
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tinus675 said:
Nope @endodoc you have your comparisons all wrong. 2 cylinders can't compete with 4 cylinder with the same capacity. That is why SBK currently runs <1200 v twin or <1000 fours. Has always been like that, back in the day the 998 ducati competed in 750 when SBK was still 750's.
You also can't just quote hp figures, take torque and weight into account and do a comparison then. It is also about the way a bike delivers the power to the road that matters, but I think these days with electronics it might become less of a consideration when you design the engine.
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This.
 

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