Agreed.
Fastest Panigale on recorded so far was 199mph that I know of, and it wasn't stock, and it was not a sanctioned run, and not even on the salt.
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Agreed.
Fastest Panigale on recorded so far was 199mph that I know of, and it wasn't stock, and it was not a sanctioned run, and not even on the salt.
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Chaotic nice write up of your theory but. Ill throw you a few facts: Do you know the 1999 busa out of the box did 194mph? It made 151.5-162.6 on the Rear Wheel @ 9750 rpm and 99.6 lb ·ft of torque @ 6750 rpm, the bike weighed 563lbs wet. I use to own one but you can find the specs/performance anywhere. Do you know before the year 2000 bikes were quickly reaching 200mph? You're probably too young to remember that but in 1999 bikes were quickly reaching 200 mph so there was a gentlemen's agreement between the bike manufacturers to limit the speed to 186mph because the Government was going to regulate them. Most are done electronically nowadays.
Compare the 1999 Busa's spec to the 2015/16 Panigale R and oh one more thing unlike the 1199/1299S the 2015 Panigale R is not restricted that's why I left the 1299 S for the R its a truly special bike. and who said my bike is bone stock?
Compare the 1999 Busa's spec to the 2015/16 Panigale R and oh one more thing unlike the 1199/1299S the 2015 Panigale R is not restricted that's why I left the 1299 S for the R its a truly special bike. and who said my bike is bone stock?
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Those aren't theories...those are facts.
I am fully aware of the gentlemans agreement to limit bikes to 186mph. However, I am still calling ........ on you (or that other guy) reading 202mph. It all sounds great in the Starbucks parking lot, but the physics do not lie.
No, bikes were not "quickly reaching 200mph", there was one Hayabusa in 1999 that was able to reach 200mph, but it was modded inside and out (including internal engine mods).
Unless you can provide some type of proof, I am still calling ......... Because of my size (6'2", 215lbs) I have suffered on top end with some of my bikes and we have done a good bit of studying into the forces that come into play at higher speeds and how they can be battled.
I think you have a problem understanding how drag works and how much HP is needed to go from 180-190mph...and how an extreme amount of more HP is needed to go from 190-200mph.
But by all means, don't believe me, do some reading for yourself.
200 MPH Or Bust! | Super Streetbike
The amount of horsepower required to overcome aerodynamic drag rises as the cube of speed. Consider this: 160 hp is enough to push a stock Hayabusa to nearly 190 mph, but it would take closer to 225 hp to get that same bike to 200 mph--65 more hp for just 10 more mph on top. Going 200 mph on a production-based motorcycle is a huge accomplishment--indeed, there are only 42 riders in the East Coast Timing Association's (ECTA) elite "200-mph" club.
Warp Speed Ahead! | Super Streetbike
So again, having read that and knowing how big of a feat 200mph is and how much effort it takes to reach it, you will have to excuse me if I don't believe you took your bike out one day on the street and reached a true 202mph.
I am fully aware of the gentlemans agreement to limit bikes to 186mph. However, I am still calling ........ on you (or that other guy) reading 202mph. It all sounds great in the Starbucks parking lot, but the physics do not lie.
No, bikes were not "quickly reaching 200mph", there was one Hayabusa in 1999 that was able to reach 200mph, but it was modded inside and out (including internal engine mods).
Unless you can provide some type of proof, I am still calling ......... Because of my size (6'2", 215lbs) I have suffered on top end with some of my bikes and we have done a good bit of studying into the forces that come into play at higher speeds and how they can be battled.
I think you have a problem understanding how drag works and how much HP is needed to go from 180-190mph...and how an extreme amount of more HP is needed to go from 190-200mph.
But by all means, don't believe me, do some reading for yourself.
200 MPH Or Bust! | Super Streetbike
The amount of horsepower required to overcome aerodynamic drag rises as the cube of speed. Consider this: 160 hp is enough to push a stock Hayabusa to nearly 190 mph, but it would take closer to 225 hp to get that same bike to 200 mph--65 more hp for just 10 more mph on top. Going 200 mph on a production-based motorcycle is a huge accomplishment--indeed, there are only 42 riders in the East Coast Timing Association's (ECTA) elite "200-mph" club.
Warp Speed Ahead! | Super Streetbike
So again, having read that and knowing how big of a feat 200mph is and how much effort it takes to reach it, you will have to excuse me if I don't believe you took your bike out one day on the street and reached a true 202mph.
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The 202 MPH myth is a story started by Wes Siler from the original 1199R launch at CotA. On the back straight he reached the point where the dash shows ---, asked a Ducati tech what that meant, and the tech told him 202 MPH. Siler went home, wrote a story about the 200 MPH monster, and the myth was born.
Anyone that is familiar with the back straight at CotA knows it's not a 202MPH area for stock production bikes. Anyone with a data logger knows our speed sensors are reasonably accurate relative to GPS and so picking up 20ish MPH from the point where the dash says --- in the space allotted is basically impossible. Keep in mind that the straight where all this is supposedly happening is only 1km long and is book ended by two of the slower corners on the track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2u_5J4AJw
There's a video of a pretty quick guy on a SL at CotA. Note his top speed on the straight. To be clear, if the SL won't do it the R definitely won't.
Anyone that is familiar with the back straight at CotA knows it's not a 202MPH area for stock production bikes. Anyone with a data logger knows our speed sensors are reasonably accurate relative to GPS and so picking up 20ish MPH from the point where the dash says --- in the space allotted is basically impossible. Keep in mind that the straight where all this is supposedly happening is only 1km long and is book ended by two of the slower corners on the track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2u_5J4AJw
There's a video of a pretty quick guy on a SL at CotA. Note his top speed on the straight. To be clear, if the SL won't do it the R definitely won't.
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Anyway, I ride my panigale R on the street and I'm very happy with ot. It will see some track time when the weather clears up but at this point I live the bike. My 1299 S was an awesome bike but the R is a different beast. At the end of the fay you can't go wrong with either, I wanted the R and got one simple as that.
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Now THAT I can believe. Thanks for that.
It is funny that Scrapper did all of that arguing and BSing...and it all started because of a Ducati tech ....... with him and telling him some ........ made-up story.
Now im just waiting for the "that might be a myth, but I really did go 202mph" response. Haha
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i'm pretty sure i know the rider and he has done 2.21's on that track, i noticed the SL walked away from my R initially but the gap never really increased and as mentioned earlier i hit 182mph and didn't really think i had alot more maybe 5mph but i would need more track how much more i'm not sure.
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Definitely doable, there is just one must have: Comfort seat! I cant stress this enough, I can ride hours on this, is is SO much better than the original seat
You just forget that you are sitting, and just enjoy riding ^^I use this in Norway as my day to day vheicle, I drive amost 100km every day, it's wonderful!
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Chacotic the forum expert .
I didn't do all that arguing you did I just asked the question. The Master Tech who is a close l friend of mine who does not BS. He sets up countless race bikes that wins around here and at the national level and is way more qualified than you for sure. I'm not here trying to convince you or anyone else because you probably have a PhD in Aerodynamics and won numerous WSBK and MotoGP titles right ? I cant compete with those credentials but you say physics don't lie, show me the math because the math will tell you otherwise.
My bike is not stock for one thing. I just completed the break in and just recently had the A/F tuned with Sprint p16 filter and Akrapovic exhaust, 16" front sprocket (for the Angle). Removed approx. 12.2 lbs (-4 lbs wheels, -3.7lbs exhausts, -4.5 lbs misc chain, sprockets, ti bolts, Ti bar ends etc.) just 3-4lbs more than the SL Wet We weighed each piece coming off and going on the bike using the same scale. Not much engine mods you can do to the engine right now its it has an ready lighter crank and flywheel, race cam profiles, lighter two ring superbike pistons. Its compression is already at 13.2:1 anymore you have to run race gas all the time lol.
Reganc, did you know that your 2015 R ECU has a newer ECU than the SL with more processing power? My SL buddy wants to the R. Did you know the R also has about 1.5 ft/lbs more torque, and 5 Hp more than the SL. Both has about 2 HP/pound stock and you could drop the 2015 R's weight to around the SL's?
. I didn't do all that arguing you did I just asked the question. The Master Tech who is a close l friend of mine who does not BS. He sets up countless race bikes that wins around here and at the national level and is way more qualified than you for sure. I'm not here trying to convince you or anyone else because you probably have a PhD in Aerodynamics and won numerous WSBK and MotoGP titles right ? I cant compete with those credentials but you say physics don't lie, show me the math because the math will tell you otherwise.
My bike is not stock for one thing. I just completed the break in and just recently had the A/F tuned with Sprint p16 filter and Akrapovic exhaust, 16" front sprocket (for the Angle). Removed approx. 12.2 lbs (-4 lbs wheels, -3.7lbs exhausts, -4.5 lbs misc chain, sprockets, ti bolts, Ti bar ends etc.) just 3-4lbs more than the SL Wet We weighed each piece coming off and going on the bike using the same scale. Not much engine mods you can do to the engine right now its it has an ready lighter crank and flywheel, race cam profiles, lighter two ring superbike pistons. Its compression is already at 13.2:1 anymore you have to run race gas all the time lol.
Reganc, did you know that your 2015 R ECU has a newer ECU than the SL with more processing power? My SL buddy wants to the R. Did you know the R also has about 1.5 ft/lbs more torque, and 5 Hp more than the SL. Both has about 2 HP/pound stock and you could drop the 2015 R's weight to around the SL's?
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Sure have. Haven't ridden street in years. Done enough time on the track from 600's to fully built out superbikes with data recording to know how hard it is to hit 200 mph.
ETA: Which in no way detracts for the performance it has or the ability for one to ride it on the street as OP was asking.
ETA: Which in no way detracts for the performance it has or the ability for one to ride it on the street as OP was asking.
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To scrappers defense he wasn't arguing... At all... A lot of these posts are taken out of context. He simply stated what his tech said and that was it. Chaotic your input is marvelous I've learned a lot from it but your delivery was condescending towards him. Then the lynch much awoke. Smh.
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I took the "I went out to see if it was true" as if he was claiming he did it. Plus the Hayabusa comments etc sounded pretty TDJ. The image I posted probably should have been accompanied by a smiley face or two. Tone isn't conveyed very well on the interwebs.
Chaotic always "sounds" like that when he posts. He's got a fairly technical job and those types always come across like that. No butts hurt I'm hoping.
Chaotic always "sounds" like that when he posts. He's got a fairly technical job and those types always come across like that. No butts hurt I'm hoping.
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Reganc, did you know that your 2015 R ECU has a newer ECU than the SL with more processing power? My SL buddy wants to the R. Did you know the R also has about 1.5 ft/lbs more torque, and 5 Hp more than the SL. Both has about 2 HP/pound stock and you could drop the 2015 R's weight to around the SL's?
i did not realize that but it's awesome. I have it stripped down to race trim and i really can't see myself doing anything more it's so much bike that i just need to get some time in the seat.
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His post claimed HE went 202mph on his stock Panigale R on the street (and his subsequent arguments further confirmed assumption). Which I am 99.9999% sure is impossible, based upon the research I have done over the years (like I said, after dealing with top speed issues myself).
Somebody claiming their stock Liter bike did 200mph is in the same category as the guys you see standing around talking about how their 600cc went 180mph.
I had no intentions of being condescending, but i also have no brain-mouth filter. I cant let ........ go without saying something...put that with an ability to type 90 words per minute....while also being an engineer....and my posts are what you end up with.
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I didn't do all that arguing you did I just asked the question. The Master Tech who is a close l friend of mine who does not BS. He sets up countless race bikes that wins around here and at the national level and is way more qualified than you for sure. I'm not here trying to convince you or anyone else because you probably have a PhD in Aerodynamics and won numerous WSBK and MotoGP titles right ? I cant compete with those credentials but you say physics don't lie, show me the math because the math will tell you otherwise.
My bike is not stock for one thing. I just completed the break in and just recently had the A/F tuned with Sprint p16 filter and Akrapovic exhaust, 16" front sprocket (for the Angle). Removed approx. 12.2 lbs (-4 lbs wheels, -3.7lbs exhausts, -4.5 lbs misc chain, sprockets, ti bolts, Ti bar ends etc.) just 3-4lbs more than the SL Wet We weighed each piece coming off and going on the bike using the same scale. Not much engine mods you can do to the engine right now its it has an ready lighter crank and flywheel, race cam profiles, lighter two ring superbike pistons. Its compression is already at 13.2:1 anymore you have to run race gas all the time lol.
Reganc, did you know that your 2015 R ECU has a newer ECU than the SL with more processing power? My SL buddy wants to the R. Did you know the R also has about 1.5 ft/lbs more torque, and 5 Hp more than the SL. Both has about 2 HP/pound stock and you could drop the 2015 R's weight to around the SL's?
Unless you have went into the motor, or added nitrous, supercharger, turbo, etc...for all intents and purposes your bike is stock. Bolt-ons are cool, but they don't produce the serious type of HP gains to reach a true 202mph. You would also need to do some bodywork changes, need a special windscreen, etc.
As far as the "math", it is all in those links I posted earlier. One of them said that even on an Busa (which is the most aerodynamic sportbike on the market), it was able to reach 190mph with the normal bolt-ons, tuning, etc...but it required an additional 65hp to make the jump from 190mph to 200mph. As stated multiple times, the coefficient of drag increases exponentionally as you get faster.
The facts are in those links, I am not going to go copy and paste it all again.
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