2016 Panigale S Throttle issue

Bike is gone.

I dont want to say this but, it could just be the lack of experience on your end. Twins are not known to be smooth and are very torquey and jumpy in general. I had an rsv4 before and I am still till today a big Aprilia fan. The bike was more smooth than the ducati ofcourse, but lacked the torque and quickness of the 1299. This bike requires good throttle and clutch control or itll own you, and this comes with time and experience.

Angry much?

You definitely purchased the wrong bike. I suggest you sell the POS Panigale and pick up a Yamaha R3, Ninja 350 or CBR. You won't have those issues with those bikes but more importantly, you'll get some much needed experience because by your reaction, it's crystal clear that you could use some.

You're on a Panigale forum bitching about a Panigale because it's more bike than you can handle. You think anyone is going to take you serious? You can't blame Ducati here since they didn't force you to make such a crazy purchase. You only have yourself to blame for not test riding a bike you know nothing about and feeding into "the hype".

Let this be a lesson to you. Shop around, test ride a bike or a few, narrow down your options and try n make a sensible decision. If it doesn't turn out to your liking, instead of letting the interweb population know about your bad decision, trade it in and try your luck with another brand. If that brand doesn't work, rinse n repeat.

There is no comparison between the S1krr and the 1299 other then they are both insanely fast. I want to echo what the person above said, it sounds like you have a lack of exp, it's a new bike and a monster one at that. Slow your roll, relax A LOT and you will get smoother with the throttle... or you won't, in which case I'll give you a standing offer of $100 for your new POS Ducati..

Also, DoubleO... I want your supplier for the big bore kit for the Ninja... a 350 Ninja sounds like WAY to much fun LOL

Damn u knowing all that previously & u still bought it????take it to the track & keep it there & u will b much happier.or not.

With nothing but your safety in mind, I will take that death machine off your hands. I'm willing to take the risk

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Ok, so did you want me to post one of the 40+ video's of my daily commute in the city.. in traffic.. going around corners and everything even, to show you that it's you and not the bike? Just asking, I'll climb off my horse just for you

nanoplastic said:

Thanks for the feedback guys. I did test rode the bike prior to purchase. But you can't possibly figure out all the "problems" with the bike from a 20 min dealer test rides. And that choppy throttle at low rpm is a "problem" many people on the forum complained about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPhCiaIxHk4
Watch this review and listen to what they say about the panigale 1299. Which I agree whole heartedly now.

I have many track days under my belt. I'm not a new rider. I've been to every track in California and have my fair share of hooligan riding on the canyons, streets and such.
But this bike is clearly is unsafe. My main issue is the extreme choppy throttle at low rpm range. where you do most of your street riding in traffic. I can't see how anyone could possible ride this bike even in wet mode in the rain, on slippery surfaces because of the way the throttle is. It is so jerky, it's a disaster waiting to happen in aberrant weather conditions.

Once again, ducati added on millions of rider aids but in essence you can't even use them practically. Sure I should have looked into it further before plopping down 30 grand. I learned my lesson. And clearly this is NOT the bike I expected from the "world's most advanced bike". I'm not afraid to admit I made a wrong choice. I was merely expressing my frustration and improvement that ducati could make for its consumers to make the bike SAFER and more manageable! For those that say, get a manageable bike like ninja300, etc., do you ride your panigale with all the electronic aids turned off? If you use any of its electronic support features, you are a damn hypocrite!

And for those who are so quick to judge and criticize me for making the wrong decision, are you that perfect? Get off your high horses already

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What exactly are you looking for from us? Just so no one says anything too judgmental or "high horsey" moving forward

I love this site. LMAO !!!!!

nanoplastic said:

Ducatis arrogance is appalling. Their attitude is simply irresponsible and it clearly shows that Ducati as a company does not care about the safety of its consumers, but rather consider their customers to be a bunch of ....... with a death wish who will eventually Darwin themselves out using the crude tools they've provided.

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Well then most of us on here must be ........ Glade you opened my eyes to that Lol

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Geek said:

Ok, so did you want me to post one of the 40+ video's of my daily commute in the city.. in traffic.. going around corners and everything even, to show you that it's you and not the bike? Just asking, I'll climb off my horse just for you

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I don't think you understand the purpose of my original post.
ducati should admit that they have design flaws with their flagship product.
they should listen to consumers and put in the effort to improve it.
but no, they didn't listen to their motogp riders, so I doubt they will listen to their customers.
And people like you who think you have to adapt to the machine, rather than it making it self more adaptable to each rider, thus making it more manageable and safe, are the ones that prevent improvement in our society. You can bow down to ducati, and kiss their ... all you want. But my honest opinion of their flagship product is that it is an absolute garbage. Failure! You cannot deny that it is desirable for this bike to have smooth throttle response like that of the bmw s1000rr or better yet, buttery smooth triumph daytona 675r. And if it was achievable, I'm sure ducati would have done it. So back to my point, ducati picked the wrong motor design to work with. They CAN'T make it any better. So ironically they increase the horse power, put electronic aids to stop from willie-ng, quick shifter, brake control, but they can't iron out the jumpy throttle issue, which in my opinion is more practical improvement for 90% of its customers. Perhaps unlike you, I have common sense still intact in my brain and don't treat street like a race track. So I follow the law and ride responsibly. So ducati defeits their purpose of implementing all the rider aids to make the bike "safer", because the biggest inherent danger of the bike lies in their throttle control in the range that is used 90% of the time. It's time that those arrogant pricks at ducati listened to their customers and gp racers and seriously get their act together. And stop the BS with "I'm a better rider than you" and "let me show you" BS. you must have a mindset of a 12 year old who is just growing pubic hairs.

Chill said:

Well then most of us on here must be ........ Glade you opened my eyes to that Lol

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That is not my point. I think you misunderstand.
My purpose of this post was to identify the underlying issue with Ducati's flagship product, which we can ALL agree upon, choppy, jerky throttle response at low rpm range. And once we acknowledge the "problem" as a group, we can bring about change. As with all good companies, they listen to their consumers' recommendations and complaints. Maybe in the distant future, Ducati will listen and work to improve their product, which can BENEFIT us all. So, I say it again. That is my purpose, and I can't state it any clearer.

I think you completely misunderstand how to ride this bike.. I came from a BMW S1000RR that I put over 54,000 miles on... YUP FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND MILES.... That was a combination of commuting every day, track days and weekend twisties.

I have also been riding my Panigale 1299S to work every day recently, including in torrential, biblical rain and temperatures down to 22 degrees and I have NO ISSUES with it. Now, if you were expecting a Japanese 4 cylinder/BMW S1000RR type smoothness, or similar, you bought the wrong bike and it's YOUR fault, not the bike's.

The Panigale 1299 is easy to ride in my opinion, if you have some skill and some understanding of how to ride the thing correctly. My suspicion is that you haven't wrapped your mind around what has to be changed in your riding style to make the 1299 work. If you can't or won't take the time to learn how to ride it properly, then sell it and go back to the BMW.

Please bear in mind that the BMW Forums are FULL of people complaining about how the S1000RR "vibrates" so much their hands go numb and how it "veers" and how it's SOOOOOOO HOT that they burn their thighs. This is all about perception and experience and the willingness to expand your skills and abilities. Some people aren't up for the challenge.

You can address almost all of your issues by getting a RapidBike module and putting in a Sprint P08 filter; that will definitely help with what you are describing, but it sounds like you LOATHE the bike, so why bother?

P.S. I also own a Triumph Daytona 675R as well and have owned over 30 Motorcycles in my time, so I have a pretty broad spectrum of experience and over 1.5 million miles on Motorcycles in my life.

nanoplastic said:

That is not my point. I think you misunderstand.
My purpose of this post was to identify the underlying issue with Ducati's flagship product, which we can ALL agree upon, choppy, jerky throttle response at low rpm range. And once we acknowledge the "problem" as a group, we can bring about change. As with all good companies, they listen to their consumers' recommendations and complaints. Maybe in the distant future, Ducati will listen and work to improve their product, which can BENEFIT us all. So, I say it again. That is my purpose, and I can't state it any clearer.

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You keep saying "we", when it's "you" that has the problem. Are you saying we're too dumb to realize our bikes suck?

80shilling said:

P.S. I also own a Triumph Daytona 675R as well and have owned over 30 Motorcycles in my time, so I have a pretty broad spectrum of experience and over 1.5 million miles on Motorcycles in my life.

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You've put an average of 50,000 miles on 30 bikes?

80shilling said:

I think you completely misunderstand how to ride this bike.. I came from a BMW S1000RR that I put over 54,000 miles on... YUP FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND MILES.... That was a combination of commuting every day, track days and weekend twisties.

I have also been riding my Panigale 1299S to work every day recently, including in torrential, biblical rain and temperatures down to 22 degrees and I have NO ISSUES with it. Now, if you were expecting a Japanese 4 cylinder/BMW S1000RR type smoothness, or similar, you bought the wrong bike and it's YOUR fault, not the bike's.

The Panigale 1299 is easy to ride in my opinion, if you have some skill and some understanding of how to ride the thing correctly. My suspicion is that you haven't wrapped your mind around what has to be changed in your riding style to make the 1299 work. If you can't or won't take the time to learn how to ride it properly, then sell it and go back to the BMW.

Please bear in mind that the BMW Forums are FULL of people complaining about how the S1000RR "vibrates" so much their hands go numb and how it "veers" and how it's SOOOOOOO HOT that they burn their thighs. This is all about perception and experience and the willingness to expand your skills and abilities. Some people aren't up for the challenge.

You can address almost all of your issues by getting a RapidBike module and putting in a Sprint P08 filter; that will definitely help with what you are describing, but it sounds like you LOATHE the bike, so why bother?

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I appreciate your point of view.

As for me, I believe the choppy throttle response is an inherent design flaw and NOT one of Panigale's characteristics. Why employ all the rider aids, yet leave this seemingly insignificant part of the bike unchanged? (it's perhaps because they CAN'T change it). I think more people would see this as a problem, rather than a feature of the bike.

I find it ironic that people consider this aspect to be a unique characteristic of Ducatis, but funny how Ducati tries to make their bikes behave more like inline 4s more and more. Ducati definitely has hit a dead end with this motor and can't improve it further. And we are all stuck with their design flaw and some people have learned to deal with it (which I think is unfortunate). But as for me, I have made arrangements to get rid of the bike this week.

For those of you who think it's just me who has the problem with the throttle response, please type choppy throttle panigale in google and see for yourself.

Many people have employed aftermarket solutions to fix this issue without success, spending additional time and money on something that the factory should have resolved before releasing their product.

I've read these type of comments more than once and I just don't get it. I must have gotten a good one or something as I find the 1299s to be very smooth and controllable. You do have to use the clutch a bit below say.....2000 rpm, but that's the case on just about any bike I've ever ridden. No bucking or jerking at all from mine and the power is very usable. To the contrary, my 07 R1 was like a damn 2 stroke. No power from a dead stop until about 6-7K where it takes off like a damn rocket ship. So from no power to too much power in the blink of an eye. Very little in between. The 1299 makes plenty of power, plenty smooth in a usable way on the street, at the same time will run like a scalded dog when you decide to wring it's neck. Couldn't ask for anything more from mine.

I think it's funny. I've tried 3 S1000RRs (2014, 2014 HP4 and 2015), and absolutely hated them. Coming from the 1299, they had zero pull below 8-9k rpm IMO, the electronics were slow and intrusive, and the frame felt like jelly (could be poorly set up forks/dampers though).
Yes, the 1299 complains when you try to open all gates from 4k rpm. It's a 2 cylinder with barrels for cylinders, what do you expect? But it caughs 2 times, then you're off in a way that the S1KRR can only dream of at low rpms. I commute 200 km every day in rush hour traffic without a problem, and I do trackdays every thursday. I absolutely love the bike! I know the chassis is too stiff to be competetive in Irish road racing for a pro rider, but I'm not a pro rider. I enjoy the bigger displacement (and wider power band) on the streets, and the (somewhat) forgiving and predictable chassis to be ok in the top group on trackdays..

But there is actually one thing I'd like from the S1KRR, and that's the gear lever feel....

I don't understand how people buy something so expensive without doing the proper research and getting a good idea of what the bike/car will be like before hand.

This is your own fault dood.