2020 panigale v4 vs 2005 gsxr1000

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Might have something to do with how much you care about crashing it?
 
Put those guys on a moto gp bike and they would probably be even slower. The average joe cant get the most out of a bike like the v4.
 
You what, I can see Scott Redding winning the BSB superbike championship on 2005 gsxr full blown race bike in 2005.
But I just can't see him winning BSB on a full blown 2005 gsxr in 2019. That chassis, as good as it is, does not have the stability a modern day one would.
 
Weight, familiarity, bike setup, all make big differences. And type of track.


At some circuits, 600s are faster than 1000s. Somewhere like Jerez, WSBK is pretty much as fast as MotoGP. No carbon brake discs, no specially developed tyres, 'inferior' riders...
 
Sylvain Guintoli has been converting a stock GSXR-1000 into a track bike this year on his YouTube channel. First mod? Cartridge kit and shock. In his testing he went from a 54.9 to a 53.5 after setting up the cartridge kit and shock on an otherwise stock bike on an obviously short track. That gap is likely even wider on a track like Buttonwillow where lap record pace is around 105 seconds/lap.

Moral of this story? Suspension matters a lot more than many people think. There's literally a thread on this very forum where people were offended that someone would even think about replacing the internals of the V4R's forks with a racing cartridge kit. The OE NIX30 is a nice cartridge in a road configuration that's easily viable deep into fast group pace but will very likely need spring rate and/or valving modifications when ridden at competent race pace.

The only surprise in that video is Revzilla not understanding how big of a handicap they gave the GSXR.
 
As has been said, it comes down to suspension. I love Zach and Ari, but they kinda downplay the importance suspension can have. Take a look at that GSXR. It has its ... sticking up in the air and forks sticking out of the triple tree more than stock. Basically, its geometry has been altered to be perfect for a tight, technical track.

Meanwhile, the V4 is setup stock for street riding so it is very plush. I am willing to bet if you spent maybe 500 bucks at most to slap proper springs in the front and a longer spring in the rear to raise it up a little bit, they would immediately get well over a second of lap time improvement.
 
MaverickiB said:
As has been said, it comes down to suspension. I love Zach and Ari, but they kinda downplay the importance suspension can have. Take a look at that GSXR. It has its ... sticking up in the air and forks sticking out of the triple tree more than stock. Basically, its geometry has been altered to be perfect for a tight, technical track.

Meanwhile, the V4 is setup stock for street riding so it is very plush. I am willing to bet if you spent maybe 500 bucks at most to slap proper springs in the front and a longer spring in the rear to raise it up a little bit, they would immediately get well over a second of lap time improvement.
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I wouldn't even spend money on it, just adjust what's there.
 
I guess based on what they're saying, the stock springs on the 2020 are very soft. Even if you adjust them to be better, it still won't help you as far as geometry goes. That K5 GSXR has its geometry setup to be a better machine at that track. I guess you could raise the forks in the clamp a bit, but raising the rear with a longer spring would probably be best.
 
Sorry guys, I’m just a V4S fanboy here. Though I think the link below, Zarco on a V4S demonstrates the essence of what Ducati had in mind with this bike. All the points mentioned above as to why the GSXR will outperform the V4S on that circuit has merit, but put that GSXR in that environment at Barcelona and I sure the outcome will be quite different.


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Video: Zarco ‘pushing’ with Panigale V4S in Barcelona

The season is set to start in the premier class in Jerez. Johann Zarco is already in Spain finalizing preparations
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I'm just going to post a snippet of this conversation I had with Redding when I was contemplating getting my recently acquired R.
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At barber I ran a 1:41 on the sv650 race bike and a 1:40 on the pani. Frankly much more seat time on the Sv - and much more afraid of tossing the duc.
But the Sv LapTime came way easier than the one on the duc
 
stage5 said:
I'm just going to post a snippet of this conversation I had with Redding when I was contemplating getting my recently acquired R.
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the problem is you need to be a decent rider to take advantage, if you are slow on any bike jumping on a Panigale will not make you any quicker, you simply need more riding time and to invest in a riding school.
 
Ari and Zack are both high caliber riders. Ari also has successful racing experience. They are nowhere near an average Joe.
This track, Buttonwillow Raceway is a technical handling track, it only has one short straight away.
As a previous owner of 2005 Gsxr 1000 and current owner of 2019 V4S and 2020 S1000RR, I would say that the Ducati is not easiest bike to ride on that track.
It's handful and angry, sometimes unpredictable and makes you feel like a Matador dealing with a beast. I enjoy the Ducati for its rawness but if I was going to set my lap time, the Bmw will destroy it and I can keep riding all day long without getting that tired. The Gsxr was like that, too. My first time getting my knee down and setting a decent time at the Willow Springs all happened within a month. There is a rider friendliness about the inline 4s.
 
I finally have the springs of my fork set to my weight and running 317mm of shock length. Made a major difference in feel and more importantly confidence. But, I still don't push Francesca because she's not worth crashing. I never ride her beyond 60-70% of my ability. Yes, she's laughing at me because the bike has so much more ability than this old fart:)
 
Speaking as a someone who's binned their bike at the track, you go very quickly from polishing mode to meh its only a bike and start considering practicality over cosmetics but I think its a valid point about the fear of wrecking an expensive bit of exotica vs a cheap old hack. The inline 4's are easier on the corners due to the inertial mass of the crank, heard it so many times from people who have gone from a Duc to a 4 who report a positive difference. However no one is replacing their beautiful Panigale with an old gixxer anytime soon unless they are building a trackbike. A hot WRX will smoke a Lambo in the real world most of the time, but the Lambo owner gets to drive a Lambo home :)
 

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