2021 Panigale V4 Exhaust change

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Wazzup1968

Wazzup1968

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Here's my dilemma. I have a 2021 Panigale V4 . I want to switch to this new exhaust but it does recommend a remapping after doing so. The problem is Ducati will not support it because it's not one of their approved exhaust systems even though it works on my bike .​

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The website States that the programming for the remapping will be coming soon but that's all the information I can get on that.

I am also new to.the remapping process and don't know besides the exhaust what I may need. Is this something that I can do myself if I have the remapping information? I'm pretty tech savvy but haven't messed with anything like this on a bike. I already have the servo bypass so that will be done so... When speaking to my dealership, if its not akrapovic exhaust or termignoni exhaust they won't give me any information. They just tell me it's not supported. A couple guys I ride with have this exhaust on the Ducati Monsters and it sounds and works great but no remapping needed. Please help.
 
With an open exhaust like the one you are showing you for sure should get a map on your bike adds fuel as the open exhaust will for sure make the engine breath better and cause it to run too lean with the stock map. I am sure it is the same for guys with the monsters that you ride with.

Changing exhausts on a high peroformance Ducati pretty much always requires a change in map. With the aggressive valve timing of the desmo system, the engines are quite sensitive to the exhaust tune.

There are a few options you can consider. Either find a local tuning shop that is experienced with Ducatis that can dyno tune the bike for you or you can go with what some people refer to as a "canned tune" through an ECU flash device that you can purchase and reflash the bike yourself.
 
DeussenEngines said:
With an open exhaust like the one you are showing you for sure should get a map on your bike adds fuel as the open exhaust will for sure make the engine breath better and cause it to run too lean with the stock map. I am sure it is the same for guys with the monsters that you ride with.

Changing exhausts on a high peroformance Ducati pretty much always requires a change in map. With the aggressive valve timing of the desmo system, the engines are quite sensitive to the exhaust tune.

There are a few options you can consider. Either find a local tuning shop that is experienced with Ducatis that can dyno tune the bike for you or you can go with what some people refer to as a "canned tune" through an ECU flash device that you can purchase and reflash the bike yourself.
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I've heard this flash term before but not sure what I need for that. Also if I flash it does it then set itself or do I still need the dyno mapping?
 
Wazzup1968 said:
I've heard this flash term before but not sure what I need for that. Also if I flash it does it then set itself or do I still need the dyno mapping?
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Flashing refers to the process of putting a new dataset and/or program code inside the engine controller. It is called flashing because the memory inside the ECU is flash memory kind of like a USB thumb drive or flash drive.

A dyno is normally the best option but you should find someone motorcycle and preferentially Ducati experienced for that. Your regular car dyno tuner will of course claim he can do bikes no problem but I could say well over 90% will not do a bike properly as the approach on a bike is different that on cars. Car tuners mainly focus on a performance gain at full load and do not care so much about the part load areas. Where on bike the full map area needs to be optimized. On a multi cylinder engine with uneven firing order it becomes even important to tune each individual cylinder as they all run strongly unbalanced throughout the entire operating range.

The other "do-it-yourself" option is to buy a handheld flash device from known tuner with a pre-made map. I would actually advise against the Termignoni T-800 as the tunes you get through them are really "canned" and they do not provide individual updates in case the tune you purchased does not run well on your bike.
 
Depends on budget.
T800 Up-Map will work OK. Has the best user interface via an app on your phone. There will be no specific map for your exhaust, but choosing something similar will work OK.
DimSport handheld device are OK, the tuner that sells you one will provide a canned tune. They are quite good, as you can have EBC adjusted and QA throttle programmed in too. The interface is archaic.
Woolich allows autotuning, or dyno tuning, but doesn't adjust as many parameters. ie no QA throttle available.
 
RickD996 said:
Woolich allows autotuning, or dyno tuning, but doesn't adjust as many parameters. ie no QA throttle available.
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Also no QS adjustments as of yet.

Although it is seems that the '22 model really doesn't need any.
 
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All I would do with the 22 model quick shifter, is buy two or three spares whilst they're still £80.
 
Alkhater said:
Why buy oem when the tech is old?
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I tried the Cordona. Five times more expensive, appalling shift times, failed very quickly.
I'm not overly concerned with the age of tech, more with what works best. Plenty of old tech better than new.
The old Hirschmann gear position sensor is a third of the price of the new Novotechnik one, and also arguably better.
 
Alkhater said:
I’ve given my cordona plenty of abuse… there’s also HM
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I haven't tried the HM, so can't comment.

And I've only used the QS on my V4R and 2022 V4 base, so can't comment upon other bikes. Although, if you're fitting a new exhaust, and don't know which direction to go with for the ECU flash, then I believe the DimSport handheld module can also adjust QS cut times.
 
RickD996 said:
I haven't tried the HM, so can't comment.

And I've only used the QS on my V4R and 2022 V4 base, so can't comment upon other bikes. Although, if you're fitting a new exhaust, and don't know which direction to go with for the ECU flash, then I believe the DimSport handheld module can also adjust QS cut times.
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There is no such thing as cut times in the V4 ECU. It is a completely different strategy than what you are used to from aftermarked quickshifter. I have heard that some tuners claim to be able to adjust cut times. In the end what they do is use a Ducati Performance map which has adjusted quickshifter behavior. But they do not know how to change it.

The Dimsport device is just a flasher. It cannot adjust anything in the map itself.
 
This is SLR Tuning's claims:

Quick shifter kill times "For faster quick-shifts"* Smoother autoblipper for downshifts

I have used SLR Tuning for my ECU flash on my V4R, but it does already have improved shifter times (compared to the V4 and V4S), so it's not something I required, so haven't checked that feature. But, if they flash the 'Ducati Performance map' onto your device, you'll have excellent shift times.
 
Alkhater said:
I’ve given my cordona plenty of abuse… there’s also HM
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My opinion on HM is that the standard sensitivity (50) gives similar performance/missed changes to the original quickshifter. Increasing the sensitivity to 60 gave me better changes and consistency (confusingly, HM imply that a lower sensitivity such as 40 will give better shifts).

The sensitivity calibration is a bit of a pfaff, and if you disconnect the battery, it has to be redone.

So it's good, but not night and day (2020 V4).
 
Very happy with stock, but the first thing you need to check is linkages for wear, that the rearsets you're using have the correct pedal length for your boot/ankle movement and they are adjusted to suit. Also GP shift makes a positive difference to shifting. Most of my "failed" shifts are user error rather than a QS fail. I come from an era where quickshifting was done by holding pressure on the shifter and blipping the throttle so the current QS iterations are total delux
 

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