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i dont know why people cant admit that the bmw is a better bike. is it to justify your purchase? i have the ducati and i can admit the bmw is a better bike. i bought the ducati on looks alone but i am not delusional saying the ducati is the best sportbike out. hell im afraid to ride it long distance because my shifter lever may come apart(almost happened but i caught it getting gas but happened to gunny on a different ride). i may lose my heat shield screws (happened twice so far), my signal and horn may not work (having the problem now) my lower fairing and or rear hugger may melt (lower faring melted got it replaced, rear huger starting to show affects from new heat shield) or the dash may go out.
oh i forgot these arent issues its character and ducati knows of no problems at all.
 
I have both as well....

I have both bikes, as well, but have the HP4 & a Tricolore.

Randall's assessment is very accurate, but the HP4 is lighter and turns in much easier / faster than a standard S1000rr.

Both bikes could not be ANY different. I always feel planted secure on the BMW. Never once had an issue & when it hits, it is violent, but under 10K is still very fast.

I still cant get the ride feel right for me on my 1199, it bounces around so damn much on the street vs the HP4. I love how light if feels thou and nothing sounds like a Ducati.

You can't go wrong with either, but if I only could have one bike and it was for only street riding day to day, I would get the HP4.

Way more practical / comfortable for the street, but damn I love my 1199.

I'm lucky, I can enjoy both.



Here's my opinion on both bikes. Keep in mind this is a street riding review only. I refuse to track a clean titled 20 grand bike. I track a Frankenstein, salvage titled, 2007 GSXR600 that I can crash and not cry about. I ride somewhat fast in the street. Not ludicrous speed like some people I know, but I'm no choir boy.

I have a 2012 S1K with traction control, quick shifter, and ABS. I added an Akra exhaust, PCV, Corsa windscreen, and Tech Spec tank grips. The bike is a great overall package. The seat is firm, yet comfortable. The seating position isn't bad for a sportbike. The fit and finish is quality.

On the road, the bike flat out hauls ass. Power everywhere, even in 6th gear. Wide open throttle between 10K and 14K, the power is so violent, you'd have to experience it yourself to truly understand. I'm still not used to it. This is the fastest bike I ever owned (I had a 2006 ZX-14 and 2011 Hayabusa among others). The cornering is very stable, and the suspension is very compliant over bumps, especially for a stock set up. It does require quite a bit of muscle to change directions quickly, because it's kind of heavy. The quickshifter is smooth and fast, but the wheelie control is very abrupt. When you lift the from wheel, the TC cuts the power and the front slams down. The brakes are strong and linear, but BMW cheaped out with a Nissan MC. I'm 6'1", 205 lbs, and the fairings offer good protection. I can easily squeeze under them in a tight tuck. My bike came with Metzeler Racetec K3's which are great tires. Fast warm up, sticky, stable, and fair longeevity. The best part about the S1K is the bike works well whether you're cruising, obeying the rules of the road. Or if you're railing it balls to the wall.

I have a 2013 Base 1199 ABS. I have Termignoni slips with the latest up map, Corsa windcsreen, and Tech Spec tank grips. The stock seat was slippery and hard, so I bought the DP race seat. That changed the seating position slightly. I now sit higher, and my balls don't get crushed during heavy braking. The seating position is definitely more race oriented than the S1K's. The reach to the bars seems further and you're more hunched over. Fit and finish is top notch.

On the road, the bike is a mixed bag. The bike seems timid, until you reach 8K RPM. Then it explodes with a rush of power and torque. That makes it slightly wheelie. I like that. But it requires more attention to be smooth. While cornering, the bike is a little busy. The suspension is harder than the S1K and doesnt absorb bumps as well. As long as the road is perfectly smooth the 1199's handling is superb. But bumps really upset the suspension more than the S1K. I've learned to ignore the little skips and jumps the bike does over bumps, and just keep the throttle open. The TC is really smooth, and it doesn't chop the throttles during wheelies. When changing directions, the 1199 is telepathic. Just look where you want to go. It requires so little muscle to change direction. It truly feels like a 600. The quickshifter does feel a little sluggish though. Sometimes there's a little jerk while using it, but that's always at RPM's lower than 8K. The brakes are very strong, and have less initial bite than the S1K, which I personally like better. The wind protection isn't so good, the 1199's fairing are tiny. I had to buy a skin tight leather jacket to stop the wind buffering at high speeds. The Supercorsa SP V2's are the best tires I've ever rode on. Very confidence inspiring. The 1199 makes me want to ride fast at all times. The motor and suspension don't seem settled when cruising. At legal speeds my wrists and back hurt. Not to mention the heat which frys your legs and crotch. This bike wasn't made for the street, that's the biggest difference between it and the S1K.

If I only had one bike overall, I'd pick the S1K. If I could only have one sportbike, it would be the 1199. The 1199 looks like it's from the future. The S1K looks cool, but it's not the same. There's something else about the 1199 that's hard to explain. The way it makes me feel. The vibration, the noise, the stiff suspension, the throttle response, the riding position. I feel like I'm the fastest rider ever while on it. But it's an illusion, because I'm faster on the S1K. The 1199 is really something special, that has to be riden, to really understand. The S1K appeals to my logical side. The 1199 appeals to my emotional side. They're very different bikes. Equally as good, but in different ways. It really depends on what's most important to you.
 
Well, when the BMW comes in you can sell your Pani and ride and report on the HP4 on their forum Mark. Your point is made and I dont disagree with some of it, but many of us just dont care for it nor always want to read about how much better it is on a 1199 forum in every thread. Its obvious your mind is set on the Beemer to have a car and bike from same company. No doubt a good company and good products, but as your good friend I would rather not hear about it everyday since MANY of us are die hard Ducati loyalists regardless of the issues this new bike has.

That said, I do agree they should have done more strict R&D on it before its release so we wouldnt have to deal with these little things. This is my 6th Ducati and no matter what magazine or test says another bike is better I wont be using that to justify the purchase of it. Stubborn, yes. Brand loyalist, yes. Breaking your balls, yes. :)
 
Good point, bigboost ^^. I used to race a '10 s1k which was way diff (ina bad way) than a '12 and even more different than my current hp4.
 
Well said, Gunny. Although in Mark's defense I think he's asked for rational comparisons from folks that have ACTUAL experience with both bikes and he got a lot of irrational responses....to be expected on the interwebs and why this place is so damn entertaining sometimes.
 
im done with it i guess its disappointing when you get the IT bike and its not really IT after paying a premium and getting slapped by the stealerships and the company denying what is actually happening to you.

i am not selling the pani. maybe i can keep it in my kitchen or something to look at.
 
Hey, Mods, perhaps this would be a good time to set up a couple of sticky threads "Pani Vs. Ape"; "Pani Vs. BMW" so those who are unhappy about how 1199 compares against those bikes could cry on each other's shoulder in one place, and spare the rest of us who don't give a .....
 
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or maybe you can skip the thread, not comment and spare the rest of us who dont give a .... about what you think. Nothing to see here the pani is the best bike ever built no problems with it ever. what a great forum that would be.
 
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or maybe you can skip the thread, not comment and spare the rest of us who dont give a .... about what you think. Nothing to see here the pani is the best bike ever built no problems with it ever. what a great forum that would be.

It's great we are just talking about bikes.

These things are our passion and are under our skins.

Lets not forget that when we compare the ownership experience we are given by Ducati, BMW, Aprilia or any of the other brands.

Funny enough, I sit typing this proudly wearing a Honda t-shirt :)
 
or maybe you can skip the thread, not comment and spare the rest of us who dont give a .... about what you think. Nothing to see here the pani is the best bike ever built no problems with it ever. what a great forum that would be.

I would have skipped the tread had the title correctly represented the true intent of it, and read along the lines of: "I didn't do my research, bought a 1199, and now I'm butthurt..."
Have a nice day.
 
i dont know why people cant admit that the bmw is a better bike. is it to justify your purchase? i have the ducati and i can admit the bmw is a better bike. i bought the ducati on looks alone but i am not delusional saying the ducati is the best sportbike out. hell im afraid to ride it long distance because my shifter lever may come apart(almost happened but i caught it getting gas but happened to gunny on a different ride). i may lose my heat shield screws (happened twice so far), my signal and horn may not work (having the problem now) my lower fairing and or rear hugger may melt (lower faring melted got it replaced, rear huger starting to show affects from new heat shield) or the dash may go out.
oh i forgot these arent issues its character and ducati knows of no problems at all.

I actually think it's becoming quite comical how S1KRR supporters simply must comment on the alleged superiorities of the BMW when given the slightest opportunity to do so. It's even more bizarre how they insist Ducati loyalists concede this alleged superiority.

Perhaps it's some form of subliminal compensation mechanism that's influencing this. They require acknowledgement from a differing community of thought in order to lessen the very doubts they carry about their selection. Frankly, you can go on all day about how great she is in the sack but you're not fooling anyone; that broad is ugly as sin and everyone sees it. I mean really, that's one horrendous albatross of a bike you're forced to mount. I'm perfectly content knowing you're having your way with the hunchback while I'm with Italian sexy.

Bottom line is the Pani looks the part, sounds the part, and can hold its own in the performance spectrum. If you were to find yourself at a stoplight next to one, the odds of you being faster than the other rider on the inferior bike are 50/50. At this level there is much more emphasis on rider skill than bike performance when it comes to speed and winning races.
 
also, remember the S1k has not been without it's problems, Something like 1400 2012 s1ks had to be recalled for improperly torqued con rod. BMW, true to it's form took the cheap way out and allowed dealers to tear down the engines on brand new bikes and make the fix (something like 10 hrs labor).

That said, love the bike, but it is pretty butt ugly. I actually think the HP2 looks better than the s1k

I actually think it's becoming quite comical how S1KRR supporters simply must comment on the alleged superiorities of the BMW when given the slightest opportunity to do so. It's even more bizarre how they insist Ducati loyalists concede this alleged superiority.

Perhaps it's some form of subliminal compensation mechanism that's influencing this. They require acknowledgement from a differing community of thought in order to lessen the very doubts they carry about their selection. Frankly, you can go on all day about how great she is in the sack but you're not fooling anyone; that broad is ugly as sin and everyone sees it. I mean really, that's one horrendous albatross of a bike you're forced to mount. I'm perfectly content knowing you're having your way with the hunchback while I'm with Italian sexy.

Bottom line is the Pani looks the part, sounds the part, and can hold its own in the performance spectrum. If you were to find yourself at a stoplight next to one, the odds of you being faster than the other rider on the inferior bike are 50/50. At this level there is much more emphasis on rider skill than bike performance when it comes to speed and winning races.
 
I was fortunate enough to have ridden both bikes and I must say the real difference between both bikes comes down to the rider needs and wants. 1199 is definitely a enthusiast racer's bike wheres the BMW is more for the urban rider I felt.

I can ride the BMW all day to work and back no problems, comfortable and great power band nothing to complain. However when I look at this way its only a commuter to me "There is a reason why BMW is supposedly releasing a naked version of this bike". The 1199 I can get on it and ride it with that crazy torque and power that makes it feel so much faster that it just brings me joy. And I think all of us can agree the aesthetics department really lacks on the BMW. What the hell where they thinking when they made that headlight and gills on only one side. Is it a messed up shark or something lol? I dont get it. I have pulled up both next to a local bar of mine and people just look at the BMW with and expression "WTF" where the 1199 gets that "Wooww" look. Plus if you consider weight difference 30 pounds is a lot between both bikes regardless if you compare a base 1199 versus the HP4 BMW makes a big difference at the track.

Daily rider = BMW weekend ride/track = 1199
 
I actually think it’s becoming quite comical how S1KRR supporters simply must comment on the alleged superiorities of the BMW when given the slightest opportunity to do so. It’s even more bizarre how they insist Ducati loyalists concede this alleged superiority.

Perhaps it’s some form of subliminal compensation mechanism that’s influencing this. They require acknowledgement from a differing community of thought in order to lessen the very doubts they carry about their selection. Frankly, you can go on all day about how great she is in the sack but you’re not fooling anyone; that broad is ugly as sin and everyone sees it. I mean really, that’s one horrendous albatross of a bike you’re forced to mount. I’m perfectly content knowing you’re having your way with the hunchback while I’m with Italian sexy.

Bottom line is the Pani looks the part, sounds the part, and can hold its own in the performance spectrum. If you were to find yourself at a stoplight next to one, the odds of you being faster than the other rider on the inferior bike are 50/50. At this level there is much more emphasis on rider skill than bike performance when it comes to speed and winning races.

in case you dont know i am a 1199s rider and do not have the bmw, so i am not commenting on the alleged superiority. i am open to the fact that there can be a better bike out there.
 
A lot of people want the best. What exactly is the best bike? No one here on this forum or some biased journalist could even come close to riding the BMW/Ducati/Ape or any superbike to its full potential to really determine what is a better bike unless you are a professional WSBK superstock racer. I have a buddy who used to race professionally that has a 998 and I would bet my money each and very time that no one on this forum can keep up with him on his 998 around any track or caynon and on any bike. The point I'm trying to make is any exotic super bike is more than 99.9% of the rider can handle and the last .1% are professional riders.

As far as mechanically sound issues goes there are people that have problems with their 1199 and there are people that have problems with their BMW. I haven't had any problems with my Ducati except it can be a little cooler but in the same breath the BMW frame gets friggin hot!

I ride my buddies HP4 about once a week through the canyons I feel it's an awesome bike but I prefer to be on a CBR it's more comfortable, stable and handles better in my opinion. It may lack the power but my fastest lap times are on a CBR not because of power but because of comfort.
 
A lot of people want the best. What exactly is the best bike? No one here on this forum or some biased journalist could even come close to riding the BMW/Ducati/Ape or any superbike to its full potential to really determine what is a better bike unless you are a professional WSBK superstock racer. I have a buddy who used to race professionally that has a 998 and I would bet my money each and very time that no one on this forum can keep up with him on his 998 around any track or caynon and on any bike. The point I'm trying to make is any exotic super bike is more than 99.9% of the rider can handle and the last .1% are professional riders.

As far as mechanically sound issues goes there are people that have problems with their 1199 and there are people that have problems with their BMW. I haven't had any problems with my Ducati except it can be a little cooler but in the same breath the BMW frame gets friggin hot!

I ride my buddies HP4 about once a week through the canyons I feel it's an awesome bike but I prefer to be on a CBR it's more comfortable, stable and handles better in my opinion. It may lack the power but my fastest lap times are on a CBR not because of power but because of comfort.

wow you are most comfortable on the cbr. i find the pani really comfortable. granted the only other bikes i have ridden were my zx10r (big bike) and for 3 days the r6 at yamaha. "They" say the r6 is comfortable. i didnt really like it .
 
wow you are most comfortable on the cbr. i find the pani really comfortable. granted the only other bikes i have ridden were my zx10r (big bike) and for 3 days the r6 at yamaha. "They" say the r6 is comfortable. i didnt really like it .

Not really comfortable in terms of seating position but comfortable as far as bike feed back, knowing exactly what the bike is going to do when you want it to do something or not do something, to hold the line you want while going around a track/canyon at the speeds you can handle.

The Pani is a comfortable bike in terms of seating position but it really takes getting used to in terms of getting comfortable/familiar with it. Its a very technical bike in terms of how to use everything together hard braking accelerating/using the suspension and light weight to your advantage. when to lay down its massive torque. To me comparing the BMW and Panigale is like comparing Skiing and snow boarding. Its easier to learn how to ski (BMW) than Snow Board (1199) but snowboarding is easier to master once you learn how to ride it.

The hardest part for us amateur riders is to understand is how to use the power curve. Not many of us go to track days and while in a hair pin turn and pin it or Riding consistently in those upper revs like the pros do thats why we complain about mid range. There are journalist out there who were professional racers reviewed this bike and said this is the closest thing to a World Super bike. The easier bikes to ride like the BMW/Ape does not even come close to ride like their super bike variant. I Guarantee you that the Journalist would have slower lap times. Ducati Super bikes have always been for racing first and street is an after thought. Unlike other manufacturers who think sales first. This is why I bought the Panigale. If I wanted to go fast in a straight line I just dust off my 01 unrestricted Busa.
 
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