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I could be wrong but from what I understand in the handbook, ABS 1 is front only, ABS 2 is front and rear but separate controls, ABS 3 is linked allowing you to use either the rear pedal or front lever to operate a portion of both the front and rear calipers???

Is this right???, if it is ABS 3 would be a great tool for the track keeping the bike stable under hard braking...
 
I'mt not sure about 3, but you're right with the first two IIRC. I don't think it has C-ABS...
 
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This is a great question as I've heard they are linked brake settings but can't really tell if its linked "evenly" when I only squeeze the front brake. Just to test, during braking using only the front brake I'll put a little pressure on the rear brake and feel the bike stoping more.

I read the owners manual (page 69) the difference between 2 & 3 is that 2 allows a few uncontrolled lift-ups where as 3 controls most of the lift-ups. Both 2 & 3 "combine braking power generating pressure even on the rear caliper".

Now does that mean squeezing only the front brake will provide this even pressure to the front and rear brakes?
 
I would like to know this, I really don't use the rear brake anyway but would be good to know that it is engaged under heavy breaking.
 
funny story

i just got my bike and as i was riding it home i thought to test everywhere.
horn, indicator, mods, buttons, braking

when i got to test my rear brake, i was like "WTF" it dont work.
trying to tail end the rear out but couldnt
ran straight home and was on my mobile to speak to the dealer
he explained "you know its got ABS rite?"
i replyed "oh damn" with a upsetting voice "that sux"
i still run with abs 2 on but days where i had full control are gone
i guess my safety will always out rule my fun.
 
BlueBear said:
funny story

i just got my bike and as i was riding it home i thought to test everywhere.
horn, indicator, mods, buttons, braking

when i got to test my rear brake, i was like "WTF" it dont work.
trying to tail end the rear out but couldnt
ran straight home and was on my mobile to speak to the dealer
he explained "you know its got ABS rite?"
i replyed "oh damn" with a upsetting voice "that sux"
i still run with abs 2 on but days where i had full control are gone
i guess my safety will always out rule my fun.
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Are you saying the rear brake won't engage on ABS:2 ? Because mine does in ABS:2. If so, no I wonder if my ABS is not working or yours is not working.
I've never used ABS:1
 
apeluv said:
Are you saying the rear brake won't engage on ABS:2 ? Because mine does in ABS:2. If so, no I wonder if my ABS is not working or yours is not working.
I've never used ABS:1
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1 RACE Exclusively for track use, for expert riders (not
recommended for road use). The ABS in this mode
only works on the front wheel (preventing it from
locking), while there is no control on the rear wheel;
the system does NOT control lift-up and there is
NO combined braking (front and rear)
Default: It is the default level for the
“RACE” Riding Mode

2 ROAD For road use in good grip conditions, both wheels
are controlled by the system; the system combines
braking power generating pressure even on the
rear caliper, anti lift-up control is active but this
setting mostly focuses on braking power and
allows a few uncontrolled lift-ups
Default: It is the default level for the
“SPORT” Riding Mode

3 WET
CONDITION
ROAD/TRACK
For use in all wet conditions, system controls both
wheels and combines braking power generating
pressure even on the rear caliper; the system
controls most of the lift-ups
Default: It is the default level for the
“WET” Riding Mode
 
I've read other articles online and some say they are linked brakes. I've also seen another thread where people has stated they are linked and others disagree. I guess the question can best be answered by my Ducati tech or testing it out by placing the bike on the rear stand, turning off traction control then squeezing the front brake lever to see if the rear wheel stops also. Any other thoughts?
 
I'm almost absolutely certain the 1199 does not have "linked brakes". Now, some might be throwing around the "linked abs brakes", but I'm not sure what that is or entails. Linked brakes (the general definition) are brakes where if you push the rear or front brake, more than that is actuated. E.G, pulling front lever will give you front brakes and some partial rear brake - thats "linked brakes".

Now, linked abs ? I have no idea ? Because ABS brakes are by definition you want them independent. It detects wheel spin and if its supposed to be spinning and it isn't, the valve releases the brake. Maybe its using the wheel abs sensor in the opposite wheel to determine whether or what the wheel should be spinning at to actuate the valve or not and they are calling the ABS mechanism to be "linked". Or maybe because brake lines from both cylinders go to the same valve contraption and that is what they are calling "linked". Dunno on that.
 
The Panigale does not have linked brakes in any ABS mode in the "traditional" sense of linked brakes where you apply one brake lever and it applies braking power to both brakes all the time. What the Bosch ABS system on the Pangiale CAN do is provide distributed braking forces in situations where the ABS system detects either a front wheel lock-up or a rear wheel lift-up, only in ABS settings 2 and 3. If it detects a front wheel lockup, it will reduce the braking force to the front calipers and apply braking force to the rear caliper, but only to the point that the rear wheel locks up, then it reduces rear caliper force as well. If it detects a rear wheel lift-up, it will also reduce braking power to the front to bring the back tire back down, and then apply rear braking power up to the point of rear wheel lock-up. It's all designed to allow the bike to stop in as short of a distance as possible in an emergency situation where your instinct may be to just grab the front brake lever. It's NOT designed for lazy touring riders who want to just use one brake lever all the time, and have it apply both brakes automatically. So in laymen's terms it means that the brakes are only "linked" when the ABS system is activated, not during normal braking.
 
jarelj said:
The Panigale does not have linked brakes in any ABS mode in the "traditional" sense of linked brakes where you apply one brake lever and it applies braking power to both brakes all the time. What the Bosch ABS system on the Pangiale CAN do is provide distributed braking forces in situations where the ABS system detects either a front wheel lock-up or a rear wheel lift-up, only in ABS settings 2 and 3. If it detects a front wheel lockup, it will reduce the braking force to the front calipers and apply braking force to the rear caliper, but only to the point that the rear wheel locks up, then it reduces rear caliper force as well. If it detects a rear wheel lift-up, it will also reduce braking power to the front to bring the back tire back down, and then apply rear braking power up to the point of rear wheel lock-up. It's all designed to allow the bike to stop in as short of a distance as possible in an emergency situation where your instinct may be to just grab the front brake lever. It's NOT designed for lazy touring riders who want to just use one brake lever all the time, and have it apply both brakes automatically. So in laymen's terms it means that the brakes are only "linked" when the ABS system is activated, not during normal braking.
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Makes sense...
 
jarelj said:
The Panigale does not have linked brakes in any ABS mode in the "traditional" sense of linked brakes where you apply one brake lever and it applies braking power to both brakes all the time. What the Bosch ABS system on the Pangiale CAN do is provide distributed braking forces in situations where the ABS system detects either a front wheel lock-up or a rear wheel lift-up, only in ABS settings 2 and 3. If it detects a front wheel lockup, it will reduce the braking force to the front calipers and apply braking force to the rear caliper, but only to the point that the rear wheel locks up, then it reduces rear caliper force as well. If it detects a rear wheel lift-up, it will also reduce braking power to the front to bring the back tire back down, and then apply rear braking power up to the point of rear wheel lock-up. It's all designed to allow the bike to stop in as short of a distance as possible in an emergency situation where your instinct may be to just grab the front brake lever. It's NOT designed for lazy touring riders who want to just use one brake lever all the time, and have it apply both brakes automatically. So in laymen's terms it means that the brakes are only "linked" when the ABS system is activated, not during normal braking.
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Thanks Jarel, that's the answer I was looking for. Linked but only under extreme situation
 
jarelj said:
The Panigale does not have linked brakes in any ABS mode in the "traditional" sense of linked brakes where you apply one brake lever and it applies braking power to both brakes all the time. What the Bosch ABS system on the Pangiale CAN do is provide distributed braking forces in situations where the ABS system detects either a front wheel lock-up or a rear wheel lift-up, only in ABS settings 2 and 3. If it detects a front wheel lockup, it will reduce the braking force to the front calipers and apply braking force to the rear caliper, but only to the point that the rear wheel locks up, then it reduces rear caliper force as well. If it detects a rear wheel lift-up, it will also reduce braking power to the front to bring the back tire back down, and then apply rear braking power up to the point of rear wheel lock-up. It's all designed to allow the bike to stop in as short of a distance as possible in an emergency situation where your instinct may be to just grab the front brake lever. It's NOT designed for lazy touring riders who want to just use one brake lever all the time, and have it apply both brakes automatically. So in laymen's terms it means that the brakes are only "linked" when the ABS system is activated, not during normal braking.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I think the owners manual is not that clear...maybe something got lost in trasnslation!:rolleyes:
 
jarelj said:
The Panigale does not have linked brakes in any ABS mode in the "traditional" sense of linked brakes where you apply one brake lever and it applies braking power to both brakes all the time. What the Bosch ABS system on the Pangiale CAN do is provide distributed braking forces in situations where the ABS system detects either a front wheel lock-up or a rear wheel lift-up, only in ABS settings 2 and 3. If it detects a front wheel lockup, it will reduce the braking force to the front calipers and apply braking force to the rear caliper, but only to the point that the rear wheel locks up, then it reduces rear caliper force as well. If it detects a rear wheel lift-up, it will also reduce braking power to the front to bring the back tire back down, and then apply rear braking power up to the point of rear wheel lock-up. It's all designed to allow the bike to stop in as short of a distance as possible in an emergency situation where your instinct may be to just grab the front brake lever. It's NOT designed for lazy touring riders who want to just use one brake lever all the time, and have it apply both brakes automatically. So in laymen's terms it means that the brakes are only "linked" when the ABS system is activated, not during normal braking.
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Great explanation as always jarlelj.

Can you confirm Trauma's point about wheel lift?
 
Jarelj - with all your helpful knowledge throughout this forum, you really should consider working for Ducati, or at least running your own dealership selling them :D
 
Trauma said:
Jarelj - with all your helpful knowledge throughout this forum, you really should consider working for Ducati, or at least running your own dealership selling them :D
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I'll have to think about doing that...... ;)
 

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