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Depends on how much you have to pay for them and if your are riding on the track. Good deals on rotors and OEM brakes from the S/R and SL are on the forum all the time.
That said, I have never ridden a standard model, so I have no comparison and don't know .....
That said, I have never ridden a standard model, so I have no comparison and don't know .....
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I would do brake upgrades in this order, based upon how big of change each can produce in my experience:
1) Pads
2) Master cylinder
3) Calipers
4) Rotors
Also, if it's a track-only/race bike, bypassing the ABS with a new set of brake lines and plugging the ABS pump can give you increased precision/feel.
1) Pads
2) Master cylinder
3) Calipers
4) Rotors
Also, if it's a track-only/race bike, bypassing the ABS with a new set of brake lines and plugging the ABS pump can give you increased precision/feel.
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Good advice. I upgraded the pads on my Speed Triple, and that made a world of difference.
News to me about the ABS work-around and its benefits; thank you Jarel.
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Not to argue with Jarel's 100% sound advise but I would do this ^^^^^^^ I run alot of track/race this year and enough street and I switched to the Brembo Z04's and it made a huge difference, next up with the RC MC's.. Once I wear out the rotors I'll get the HPK Rotors..
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I would never get abs on a bike! I hate in my vehicles. I have raced motocross at an amateur national leve,l won a Moto at Loretta Lynn's for those familiar along with other am national wins. . I got really fast very quickly on the track. I'm hooked now.
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Basically right there with you. I am switching the RCS MC's next as soon as funding allows..
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With the stock M50 calipers on the 1199/1299, you need the Brembo 17RCS master, that's the one specifically made for those calipers.
There has been a lot of talk and different threads on the subject of how the rcs 17 is the cats pajamas when using m50s. I used it for almost a full race season before I gave up on it. Even after removing the abs it was spongy as hell. It would also get bad brake fade even in a 6 lap race.
I eventually ordered a cnc 19x18 with the intention of replacing the calipers if it didn't work out. It was awesome. The feel and feedback as well as braking power is amazing. I trail brake as a habit and have never had an issue with not getting enough feedback. In fact, in my circle of racer friends that are running the Pani, every single one uses either a 19x18 or 19x20 with the m50's...
For what it's worth.
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Oh sure I know plenty of people running 19mm masters with the M50 calipers, but I wouldn't RECOMMEND it since it goes against Brembo's own recommendations. When the Panigale first came out and I was at the vendor parts show talking with one of the guys from Brembo, and asked him about the M50 calipers and whether I could take my 19x20 master from my 1198S and use it on my 1199, he said "I wouldn't recommend that, wait for us to come out with the 17mm product, the 19mm product was not designed to work with the smaller-piston calipers and you will not get the same feel". So that's pretty much the extent of where I left it, I never actually tried the 17RCS myself.
There's a big difference in a "racing" master vs. the "street/performance" master, which all of the RCS products are "street/performance" products. I've used a 19x20 racing master exclusively for over 10 years now on every track/race bike I've had, for me it's the cat's meow. I agree with you for hard track use, the RCS will not give the firm lever and resistance to fade of a racing master. But it's still better than the stock master. You should try your cnc master with different calipers at some point, you might not know what you're missing. I'm using the GP-4RX calipers with the billet 19x20 master and it's pretty much nirvana. Of course braking "feel" is highly subjective, so what feels fine/great to one rider might feel like garabage to another. Some people who ride my bike hate my brakes because they're too powerful. I've trained myself to use a light touch on the brakes, so I like them.
Fair enough. Hard to recommend something that goes against the manufacturer... being a vendor.
I have been wanting to try the GP-4RX but have not had much of a reason to other than they look awesome.
I agree 1000% about feel being subjective. I personally would not use a 19x20 because to me it feels super rigid but doesn't have as much stopping power. 19x18 is my sweet spot.
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Brembo adheres pretty much to the "you get what you pay for" principle. As you go up the price range in their products, you get tangible benefits that are more and more driven toward professional racing levels. The standard Brembo racing masters (what I think you're calling "gp"), have precision seals and upgraded internal components compared to OEM Brembo products, which provides smoother response and resistance to fade. The bodies are forged aluminum, vs. the cast aluminum bodies on the OEM products, so they're stiffer and lighter. When you move up to the CNC Billet racing product range, you get even stiffer and lighter bodies, so everything is even more precise, and further resistance to fade. Only an experienced track rider/racer would notice the difference between that and the standard racing master. From there, your final option is the $2000 Brembo MotoGP (the actual "GP") master, which is even lighter, stiffer and more precise.
Note: none of the racing masters have a brake switch on them, so if they are used on a street bike you need to install a banjo-bolt pressure switch. The RCS line has an integrated brake switch on it, which is why that one is specified as street/track.
This thread is 2 years old so Im hoping I get a response. Im looking to upgrade the master cylinder on my 2015 1299. Right now I have CNC racing adjustable levers. If I bought any of the Brembo brake master cylinders would I be able to use them on the Brembo master cylinder.
That being said. What be a good option for me for 7 to 10 track days a year and the rest street riding? The Brembo 19x18 radial brake master cylinder , 19RCS Corsa or 17RCS Corsa?
That being said. What be a good option for me for 7 to 10 track days a year and the rest street riding? The Brembo 19x18 radial brake master cylinder , 19RCS Corsa or 17RCS Corsa?
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No you won't be able to use your levers with any of the Brembo racing master cylinders. You'll need the 17RCS for that bike, it's the only one compatible with the stock calipers, and it still has a brake light switch on it so it will work on the street correctly.
Thanks for the information. Let me ask you this. If I wanted the 19x18 or 19RCS MC's what would be a good brembo caliper upgrade over the M50's that wouldnt break the bank. I do between 7-10 track days a season and the rest on the street. And regarding the MC's I mentioned do both have a brake light switch or just the 19RCS
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Most cost-effective would be to pick up a set of M4 Monoblocs off of an older Superbike (1098, 1198) and put some good pads in them (I like SBS). Or you can buy a new set of M4's for $699. Those will work with the 19RCS or any of the 19mm racing masters. The only Brembo masters that have a brake light switch on them or the RCS models. Otherwise if you have one of the racing masters you have to use a banjo bolt pressure switch instead, so it'd still doable, just requires more parts.
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