Can't find neutral

I just took delivery of my second 1299s (2017) and for the life of me I am having the hardest time getting the bike into neutral when I park. It just jumps between 1st and 2nd endlessly. My last 1299s, although I only had her for about 100 miles, had no issue, my 959, and 696 also have no issue. Is this a known problem (hopefully with a simple fix)?

Factory Pro detent arm. @cycler has them.
They have a stronger spring too but he didn’t like that on his bike. The detent will help u find neutral

My 1199s does this until warm, then it is perfectly smooth. I’ll look into that part kev linked when I tear down the clutches side..

Make sure your clutch master cylinder is bled. You shouldn't need any aftermarket parts to find neutral!

Yea I would have to say I’m on the fense with regard to the “ProShift” thingy. I have put in 2 of them and to me, they had zero impact on any aspect of the gear box operation. The spring dimensionally is the same. The lever arm is dimensionally the same. The roller is dimensionally, the same. The SP has micro ball bearings in the roller. The stock unit has an oil lubricated plain bearing. The stock unit is precise and very smooth as is the SP unit. Maybe others have had a noticeable positive report on this piece but I can’t see mechanically where the benefit is and wasn’t able to notice one. Additionally, if the SP were to ever fail, you’re going to have a nice little bee hive of micro steel bearings in your motor to contend with. Not so on the stock setup. Again just my experience

Ryfly05 said:

Make sure your clutch master cylinder is bled. You shouldn't need any aftermarket parts to find neutral!

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crazy, replaced the clutch action components (no need to bleed b4 each ride now) and still, bike hates going into neutral. Always a good starting point. Maybe it’s a good thing cause it always quickshifts from 1 to 2 perfectly skipping over neutral even with a lazy ankle. I’m gonna switch to reverse shift so the upshifts have the assistance of gravity

endodoc said:

Yea I would have to say I’m on the fense with regard to the “ProShift” thingy. I have put in 2 of them and to me, they had zero impact on any aspect of the gear box operation. The spring dimensionally is the same. The lever arm is dimensionally the same. The roller is dimensionally, the same. The SP has micro ball bearings in the roller. The stock unit has an oil lubricated plain bearing. The stock unit is precise and very smooth as is the SP unit. Maybe others have had a noticeable positive report on this piece but I can’t see mechanically where the benefit is and wasn’t able to notice one. Additionally, if the SP were to ever fail, you’re going to have a nice little bee hive of micro steel bearings in your motor to contend with. Not so on the stock setup. Again just my experience

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I was all excited for Factory Pro but my buddy tried it and and said don’t bother with the stiffer spring. And now you’re confirming with the down side of micro bearings

What’s your expert solution to finding neutral? Just don’t worry abt it?

First I never verified if the FP has a spring with a higher tension. That is one thing I didn’t check because the spring wire was the same diameter as the stock unit. Regardless, a stiffer spring in that application in my opinion isn’t going to address the issue at hand. This seems to be one of those issues that you either have an issue, you at times have an issue or don’t have an issue. So it seems to be something with regard to variables in assembled parts (all things being equal) No one has an issue finding neutral when the bike isn’t running so it seems to lie in the un coupling of the load on the rotating assembly. Case in point I tried a higher viscosity oil (EVR) clutch and never found neutral. I switched back to the original oil and my neutral situation corrected itself so In my case viscous drag in the clutch pack def had an influence. Theoretically, a dry clutch when disengaged, not having a viscous drag component would eliminate at least that contributor so I’m postulating, this may help. Unfortunately I have an STM dry setup for the 1299 but it’s in a box not on the bike so I have not had time to test it. Others that have the dry clutch might chime in and relay their experience.