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Come on Vale, you can use the power of the Duc to rest on the straights and blow everybody.
All is forgiven for back to Yamaha.
 
It's so insanely tight these days that's crazy!
No one talks about 1/3 of the field behind 46 who are up to 20 seconds back though, weird.

For sure he's older, tired, prolly fed up. But I think there is more than that. GP Yamaha has become organized for mass engineering. They create setting for all 4 bikes the same, which doesn't work for Vale. Works for the younger guys who learned to ride that bike as is. Except Viñalas - no idea what his deal is. So random.
If Vale could set up a bike independently I think he could do better. Could he figure out the the new D16? Don't know. But this machine he has now ain't working for him.
He doens't suck though that's for sure.


I know what you mean. Looking at his lap times, he needs 4 tenths. I reckon the Duc can give him that on the straights.
 
I know what you mean. Looking at his lap times, he needs 4 tenths. I reckon the Duc can give him that on the straights.

If only it were that simple, the whole field would be on Ducatis lol. I've always been pretty neutral when it comes to Rossi, never been a fan but not a hater either. But I just dont think he has "it" anymore unfortunately to contend at that level.
 
In order for Vale to become competitive again, Michelin will need to tailor their tires to him. Vale doesn't favor the soft carcass of the modern GP tire.
 
In order for Vale to become competitive again, Michelin will need to tailor their tires to him. Vale doesn't favor the soft carcass of the modern GP tire.

Do you have additional insight on this issue?

I ask because I’m jafo and have no “inside baseball” knowledge. I’ve heard much speculation regarding this issue (and others like it) over the years, and often wondered if the dominance of a particular rider or manufacturer is something of an illusion - created for entertainment value and politics and more related to “boardroom racing”( as a member here put it) than to actual racing - what happens in the boardroom determines what happens on circuit.

Was Rossi’s dominance through the early 2000’s more due to one-off “Rossi spec” tires than to his skill? Is Marquez’s dominance over the last several years more due to Honda’s “boardroom racing” tactics than to his skill?
 
I think I heard Neil Hodgson or Michael Laverty on BTSport talking about it this weekend. There's also this article: Rossi struggling with softer tyre carcass since 2019, qualifies P16. But it makes sense, a harder carcass will transmit more "feel" to the rider. On the flip side, the softer tires provide more grip. I could see if you're part of the old guard that grew up on a particular tire that it'd be hard to change.

For me, I'd like to see MotoGP get rid of aero and all this launch control buffoonery. Same w the Ducati morphing device. In fact. I'd go with a very rudimentary traction control system just so that riders don't get spit off on highsides. I wouldn't mind seeing a tire war again because at least that leads to practical developments. Not sure any road going motorcycle would every benefit from aero or launch control or variable suspension devices.
 
… For me, I'd like to see MotoGP get rid of aero and all this launch control buffoonery. Same w the Ducati morphing device. In fact. I'd go with a very rudimentary traction control system just so that riders don't get spit off on highsides. I wouldn't mind seeing a tire war again because at least that leads to practical developments. Not sure any road going motorcycle would every benefit from aero or launch control or variable suspension devices.

Agree on all points - especially on aero. It seems to me that aero eventually ruins racing. Look at formula one - I don’t even enjoy watching anymore.

What was the reason given for going to a single tire manufacturer?
 
Allegedly costs and competitiveness. But there's probably more knock-on cost increases because of a single tire manufacturer because now you're chasing marginal gains. If they stayed w a single tire manufacturer at least they could offer choices on carcass construction. Sure, it'd increase the complexity for the tire manufacturer but that's what they signed up for.
 
Rossi is done, it’s over. He’s too old to ever win a race or even get on the podium…..time to retire with some dignity left….sports heroes get old, face it.
 
Rossi is done, it’s over. He’s too old to ever win a race or even get on the podium…..time to retire with some dignity left….sports heroes get old, face it.

That’s way too simplistic. Other than Fabio, Yamaha looks pretty weak at the moment. Vinales and Morbidelli are in their 20s.
 
Rossi will not win or get on the box this season. I’m not a hater, I’m realistic.
 
Who wins is definitely a combination of a lot of things, but yes, all that boardroom racing is unfortunately quite true. Dorna is a publishing company that has a certain business model pay-per-view. The suck all starts there. The viewing audience is inherently small because it's bloody expensive to watch. So tire manufacturers expense is massive compared to the benefit of producing prototype tires for each track. With 2 competitive companies, they are both loosing money. With only one, Michelin wins EVERY race! All the bikes have different frames and build philosophies and all need a different tire. I think I've posted this 17 times. eg.
Honda sells 19,000,000 motorcycles a year (Only 15 million last year.)
Yamaha sold 3,800,000 motorcycles 2020
Ducati sells 48,000 in 2020.

So, tell me who do you think Michelin is going to favor just thinking about tire sales? End of the day that's what this is all about right? They need to sell tires.

Ducati is has its engine as a stress member (stiff as a brick) with a swing arm stuck on it and a short frame on the front. Super high torque power monster.
Honda's frame is a wet noodle. Watch 93's slow mo's - it looks like he's riding a fish.

Ducati needs a soft carcass with a tough tread, Honda needs what they got. Yamaha I don't know what the hell their problem is - I don't know that bike well, it's all hush-hush because you can't bite the hand of the sponsors! This is business. Clearly it's not working that great for them and hasn't for a lot of years plus it's one of the slowest bikes on the grid on the straight. This wkend in Germany they couldn't get anything right.
#20 is a bloody magician. Whatever the suck is with Yamaha, it works for him mostly even if he was also saying this was a hell week for Yamaha.
I wonder if they ever figure that freaking bike out if Quartararo will still be able to ride it. hahaha.
Vale... Doesn't seem to like this.


Do you have additional insight on this issue?

I ask because I’m jafo and have no “inside baseball” knowledge. I’ve heard much speculation regarding this issue (and others like it) over the years, and often wondered if the dominance of a particular rider or manufacturer is something of an illusion - created for entertainment value and politics and more related to “boardroom racing”( as a member here put it) than to actual racing - what happens in the boardroom determines what happens on circuit.

Was Rossi’s dominance through the early 2000’s more due to one-off “Rossi spec” tires than to his skill? Is Marquez’s dominance over the last several years more due to Honda’s “boardroom racing” tactics than to his skill?
 
The tyres are a pain in the neck for Vale at the moment and I don't think yamaha care to find a solution for him.
I believe at Ducati, Dall'lnga will endeavour to solve such an issue.
I believe Vale will be a great embassador for Ducati as well bringing through riders from his academy.
 

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