It is probable a bad reading sensor or injector/coil/something that works within range and does now throw a code. Does these bikes have map sensors? In the car world I work in I see a lot of bad sensors that don't throw codes but my software will pick them up with the graphing I do.
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i know you think that is not crash relater but just by experience shooting outboard engine with Copper Solid Sabot Slugs, sometime I get a engine knock out or even self destruct just by hitting the block sometime the slugs don't even penetrate the block.
so if a small bullet can .... a big ... mercury 350 what you think a crash hitting the road is going to do to a ducati engine. there is nothing that said you can't fix you bike after an accident with out the insurance and later find out that the estimated is more so you need them.
trust me a .... up engine with just hitting with 5.56
so if a small bullet can .... a big ... mercury 350 what you think a crash hitting the road is going to do to a ducati engine. there is nothing that said you can't fix you bike after an accident with out the insurance and later find out that the estimated is more so you need them.
trust me a .... up engine with just hitting with 5.56
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I don't think comparing shooting an engine with a 223 rifle versus small slide like I had is even remotely the same..
Are you stupid or just dense?
listen ....... a running engine if you hit it hard enough you can damage internally.
even the smallest hit can cause oil starvation or just crack some plastic in one of the plug or conector.
you ....... crash your bike and now want Ducati to fix for you for free lo. call your insurance (I hope you are smart enough to have one) or deal with you .... out you ....... pocket ... CLOWN
and you started with the insult.
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you can eraser i just took a pic of the screen a make sure it get to ducati
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Well esmirna8261980 That was some reaction you have had there.. Are you upset? WoW Take a chill pill Jill! Relax , Have a cold beer, Calm down...! it wasnt THAT big a deal... There is no need to get so radical.. 
I just didn't understand how shooting an outboard motor's engine block with a shotgun slug or .556 rifle has ANYTHING to do with what we are discussing..
Actually if you ever read my thread the engine never hit the ground at all. (The T Rex slider took all of the impact) and there was not so much as a scratch on the motor anywhere...Not even the tank was scratched..Just some plastic was damaged and the handlebar snapped.. That is all...
** This happened last Labor Day 2015...The bike has been checked out by the Dealer and had oil pressure checks and compression checks done and it was and has been fine.. Internally the motor runs like it should it is just an ignition or fueling problem..
BTW The bike had several running problems documented before the slide
As far as you calling me an ....... and everything else You went off on a tangent about shooting an engine with a rifle etc..LOL What does THAT have to do with anything we are discussing here? LOL I assure you that NO GUN SHOTS were fired to cause the bike to slide.. LOL...
I hope it makes you feel like a big shot Badass calling me names and getting this mad over a simple comment.. Maybe I struck a nerve.. If that is your reaction to anyone that questions your reasoning evidently you must feel real self-conscious about it... You seem very angry if you seem to feel the need to shoot running engines etc LOL...?
Go ahead and do whatever you want regarding Ducati..LOL As far as insurance goes I do not know of any car or bike collision insurance that will pay for an engine going bad. I didn't even make a claim for the damage I had.. I paid it all myself.
I am sure the dealer will help me out and fix it sooner or later.. I have just been very aggravated.. I will do everything I can to give them a chance to make it right (and I am sure they will eventually)
..They have been pretty nice to me so far..
Regarding your childish remarks You don't need to cuss people just because they ask you if you are dense..? On second thought however, I don't know maybe you get asked that question a lot and are just super sensitive to it..? I guess it was uncalled for on my part so for that I will apologize, but you need to calm down brother!
Real classy guy!
I just didn't understand how shooting an outboard motor's engine block with a shotgun slug or .556 rifle has ANYTHING to do with what we are discussing..Actually if you ever read my thread the engine never hit the ground at all. (The T Rex slider took all of the impact) and there was not so much as a scratch on the motor anywhere...Not even the tank was scratched..Just some plastic was damaged and the handlebar snapped.. That is all...
** This happened last Labor Day 2015...The bike has been checked out by the Dealer and had oil pressure checks and compression checks done and it was and has been fine.. Internally the motor runs like it should it is just an ignition or fueling problem..
BTW The bike had several running problems documented before the slide
As far as you calling me an ....... and everything else You went off on a tangent about shooting an engine with a rifle etc..LOL What does THAT have to do with anything we are discussing here? LOL I assure you that NO GUN SHOTS were fired to cause the bike to slide.. LOL...
I hope it makes you feel like a big shot Badass calling me names and getting this mad over a simple comment.. Maybe I struck a nerve..
If that is your reaction to anyone that questions your reasoning evidently you must feel real self-conscious about it... You seem very angry if you seem to feel the need to shoot running engines etc LOL...? Go ahead and do whatever you want regarding Ducati..LOL As far as insurance goes I do not know of any car or bike collision insurance that will pay for an engine going bad. I didn't even make a claim for the damage I had.. I paid it all myself.
I am sure the dealer will help me out and fix it sooner or later.. I have just been very aggravated.. I will do everything I can to give them a chance to make it right (and I am sure they will eventually)
..They have been pretty nice to me so far..
Regarding your childish remarks You don't need to cuss people just because they ask you if you are dense..? On second thought however, I don't know maybe you get asked that question a lot and are just super sensitive to it..? I guess it was uncalled for on my part so for that I will apologize, but you need to calm down brother!
Real classy guy!
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Well esmirna8261980 That was some reaction you have had there.. Are you upset? WoW Take a chill pill Jill! Relax , Have a cold beer, Calm down...! it wasnt THAT big a deal... There is no need to get so radical..
lol, look man What part of if you hit a ICE engine hard enough you can cause internal damage even if there is not cosmetic or visual damage you don't understate ? the panigale is full of component designed to be as light weight posible (mean easy to break ) you crashing you bike or just hitting the frame slider again the road it can posible transfer enough energy to .... up the internal part of the engine or just to SIMPLE BROKE A PLASTIC CONECTOR OR PLUG so not because your bike wasn't self destroy in the accident don't mean is not a crash related damage.if a .556 can .... a big ... mercury or a yamaha engine just by the force of shockwave, think how much damage you can transmitted by hitting the frame slider of your bike to the ground .
I don't know what part of the country you are but in my part the insurance cover 100% your bike.
*if you got hit in the rear on your car you make a claim, they fix the car six month later your transmission broke guess what ? they pay for it.
* if you hit a pothole and you put a hole in your drain pan, engine get .... up guess what? they pay for it.
*is raining in florida and you think your car is a ....... submarine and you decide to pass under the overpass just because you see a big ... pick up doing it and you .... up your engine guess what? they pay for it.
you insulting me don't make you smarter to be honest a least I know how my INSURANCE COMPANY WORK .
Thanks for the support.. I am sorry I got in a pissing match with the guy.. It never accomplishes anything but ill will and I certainly don't want any more of that in my life.. Life is too short to argue about the little stuff.
A wise man once said. Worry is the interest you pay on something bad that hasn't happened yet!
I am sure it will work itself out in the long run.. I have had a lot of patience thus far..
We all have bad days.. I have had plenty when it comes to this bike. I just want to be able to ride it and enjoy it Is that too much to ask when I have spent a fortune on it trying to get it to work properly from day one?
My Kawasaki's never had any problems and the 2011 ZX10 track bike was thoroughly thrashed at the track many many times.. Crashed twice at over 65 mph....
I think the earlier remark about the Ducati's being overbuild (and already pushed to their foreseeable limits ) is correct.
They have a great (but complicated) design and I think it is amazing what they have rung out of them but they just can't compete as easily with the Jap (and German) 4 cylinder bikes any more.. The competition is just too stiff. Ducati needs to start adding cylinders to compete..
An L-4 or (V- 4) Ducati motor with the Desmodromic valves etc. would be amazing on the street..However it would be pretty expensive to produce...
*Aprillia is already making one and getting a lot of HP from it.. Ducati could blow them away if they spent the time and money on it.. Ducati now has deep pockets Since they got bought out by Audi and it would be a great bike.. I imagine it would sound awesome! Maybe they have on in the works? There is some scuttlebut about it..
Maybe some day we will see a production Ducati L- 4 that will be reasonably priced.
Speedy
A wise man once said. Worry is the interest you pay on something bad that hasn't happened yet!
I am sure it will work itself out in the long run.. I have had a lot of patience thus far..
We all have bad days.. I have had plenty when it comes to this bike. I just want to be able to ride it and enjoy it Is that too much to ask when I have spent a fortune on it trying to get it to work properly from day one?
My Kawasaki's never had any problems and the 2011 ZX10 track bike was thoroughly thrashed at the track many many times.. Crashed twice at over 65 mph....
I think the earlier remark about the Ducati's being overbuild (and already pushed to their foreseeable limits ) is correct.
They have a great (but complicated) design and I think it is amazing what they have rung out of them but they just can't compete as easily with the Jap (and German) 4 cylinder bikes any more.. The competition is just too stiff. Ducati needs to start adding cylinders to compete..
An L-4 or (V- 4) Ducati motor with the Desmodromic valves etc. would be amazing on the street..However it would be pretty expensive to produce...
*Aprillia is already making one and getting a lot of HP from it.. Ducati could blow them away if they spent the time and money on it.. Ducati now has deep pockets Since they got bought out by Audi and it would be a great bike.. I imagine it would sound awesome! Maybe they have on in the works? There is some scuttlebut about it..
Maybe some day we will see a production Ducati L- 4 that will be reasonably priced.
Speedy
For what it's worth, I just sold my 08 R1 which was bought brand new, and I never had any issues, never been at the dealer. After punting a bit of money into it, front and rear sprockets with 520 chain, full exhaust, and custom tune, the bike ran strong.
I sold it after 8 years because I want to get a 1299s, and after coming to this forum and reading all these negative comments (which I should not call negative comments indeed, but the facts about Ducati), I am questioning my decision. I must add that the looks of Ducati won me over, and that Japanese bikes, specifically the new ones with this transformer like looks, just don't appeal to me. This goes for the BMW,too.
Hopefully Ducati comes through for you Speedy, as I could not even imagine going through something like that. And, Let's hope they address these issues for the future years. But, just the thought that Audi owns Ducati now, given their quality involving Audi and VWs, disappointing, to say the least. Let's hope they step it up.
So, my question would be something like this, based on your experience about Ducs, if I was to buy one, would I be better off with a brand new one that comes with a factory warranty, or a slightly used one, for much cheaper?
I sold it after 8 years because I want to get a 1299s, and after coming to this forum and reading all these negative comments (which I should not call negative comments indeed, but the facts about Ducati), I am questioning my decision. I must add that the looks of Ducati won me over, and that Japanese bikes, specifically the new ones with this transformer like looks, just don't appeal to me. This goes for the BMW,too.
Hopefully Ducati comes through for you Speedy, as I could not even imagine going through something like that. And, Let's hope they address these issues for the future years. But, just the thought that Audi owns Ducati now, given their quality involving Audi and VWs, disappointing, to say the least. Let's hope they step it up.
So, my question would be something like this, based on your experience about Ducs, if I was to buy one, would I be better off with a brand new one that comes with a factory warranty, or a slightly used one, for much cheaper?
Thanks for the support.. I am sorry I got in a pissing match with the guy.. It never accomplishes anything but ill will and I certainly don't want any more of that in my life.. Life is too short to argue about the little stuff.
A wise man once said. Worry is the interest you pay on something bad that hasn't happened yet!
I am sure it will work itself out in the long run.. I have had a lot of patience thus far..
We all have bad days.. I have had plenty when it comes to this bike. I just want to be able to ride it and enjoy it Is that too much to ask when I have spent a fortune on it trying to get it to work properly from day one?
My Kawasaki's never had any problems and the 2011 ZX10 track bike was thoroughly thrashed at the track many many times.. Crashed twice at over 65 mph....
I think the earlier remark about the Ducati's being overbuild (and already pushed to their foreseeable limits ) is correct.
They have a great (but complicated) design and I think it is amazing what they have rung out of them but they just can't compete as easily with the Jap (and German) 4 cylinder bikes any more.. The competition is just too stiff. Ducati needs to start adding cylinders to compete..
An L-4 or (V- 4) Ducati motor with the Desmodromic valves etc. would be amazing on the street..However it would be pretty expensive to produce...
*Aprillia is already making one and getting a lot of HP from it.. Ducati could blow them away if they spent the time and money on it.. Ducati now has deep pockets Since they got bought out by Audi and it would be a great bike.. I imagine it would sound awesome! Maybe they have on in the works? There is some scuttlebut about it..
Maybe some day we will see a production Ducati L- 4 that will be reasonably priced.
Speedy
Definitely get one with a warranty..!
Used or new sooner or later they all have issues and you sure don't want to be paying $100 plus a hour (plus Ducati priced parts) to get even some minor issue fixed! Between the Akropovic Slip on's with the up map and other work I had done (Rapid Bike Racing module etc) I have receipts of over $5500 out of pocket.. (That is in addition to all the warranty work they did.)
I spent a lot of my own money trying to get the damn thing to work right.. I don't want a new bike out of the deal... I really don't want to have to call Ducati etc.. I just want my bike to finally run right so I can go on with life and enjoy what I have put so much money, blood, sweat and tears in..
If the bike ran well I would be loving it.. I still love to look at it. It gets a lot of attention wherever I go and people stop me and want to talk bikes etc..Even the Harley guys seem to at least respect it for what it is.. Maybe it is because it is a big twin and sounds kid of like their bikes on steroids LOL
I just want to be able to enjoy it and ride it and not be in dangerous situations because of the way it just suddenly cuts off in the middle of an intersections etc..
Speedy
Used or new sooner or later they all have issues and you sure don't want to be paying $100 plus a hour (plus Ducati priced parts) to get even some minor issue fixed! Between the Akropovic Slip on's with the up map and other work I had done (Rapid Bike Racing module etc) I have receipts of over $5500 out of pocket.. (That is in addition to all the warranty work they did.)
I spent a lot of my own money trying to get the damn thing to work right.. I don't want a new bike out of the deal... I really don't want to have to call Ducati etc.. I just want my bike to finally run right so I can go on with life and enjoy what I have put so much money, blood, sweat and tears in..
If the bike ran well I would be loving it.. I still love to look at it. It gets a lot of attention wherever I go and people stop me and want to talk bikes etc..Even the Harley guys seem to at least respect it for what it is.. Maybe it is because it is a big twin and sounds kid of like their bikes on steroids LOL
I just want to be able to enjoy it and ride it and not be in dangerous situations because of the way it just suddenly cuts off in the middle of an intersections etc..
Speedy
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Many insurance companies will not cover damage sustained at a track.
Farmers will only provide coverage in Texas with RideSmart level I and II, but not level III.
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then you chose the right insurance for the type of riding that you do, Ducati will void your warranty if they find out you bike is a track bike (which I think is ....... stupid since they sell the race boy dream lol)
if I was the op I will get a 24 pack of flat tire beer, go in the garage play some good music and take that bike apart piece by piece, I'm not saying take the engine apart just check every plug and connector ,ground and cable making sure to check every electrical part.
good luck!!!
This bike is still under factory warranty.. and I will state it again This particular problem just started getting bad/worse recently in the last month.
Whatever it is it has nothing to do with the crash/slide back on Labor Day 2015...
The original sticking throttle issue was fixed months ago. Originally (like a lot of Panigales) it would buck if I tried to run it around under 4000 rpm gear at 45 mph etc. I had to run it in 2nd because it was running too lean (from the factory they are all set lean for EPA) Once I installed the Rapid Bike it cleared up and reprogrammed the fuel injection and it ran great for a while..I could put it in 4th at 45 mph (around 3300 rpm) an it would just purr. the Rapid Bike did a GREAT job of re tuning it and getting it to run smoother.
However in the last month it refuses to stay smooth at ANY speed or gear as long as the throttle is at appx 12% or less.
I ran it with the special plug in the Rapid Bike harness that takes it out of the equation. IN other words the plug allows you to run the bike with no further adjustments form the RB unit.. but ou do not have to remove the complete wiring from the rapid bike unit so you can get a baseline from stock ( I found that there was No difference in the problem without the RB unit installed (other than it doesn't pull near as strong when you are accelerating as it does with the RB unit installed).
Same problem whether it is running the RB unit or not...(That means unless the motor is in the process of accelerating (past 14% throttle) it is misfiring/bucking/surging whatever you want to call it.. I CAN run it in first gear at 50 mph and it doesn't do that however it is running around 6500 rpm! That makes it run hot and will wear out the motor and get terrible gas mileage (not to mention stares from cops etc)
Bottom line is it miss fires/stutters until it gets to around 6500 rpm.. Something is bad in the ignition or fuel delivery.. I suspect the ignition/spark plug or coil etc. It had brand new plugs installed recently when I got the Cams degree'd so unless they are the incorrect plugs I doubt that is the problem.. What ever it is the dealer wants to see a code thrown to be able to figure it out and so far that ain't happening.
I am taking it in today and the owner of the dealership is going to personally ride it.. He is a great guy and really wants to help me. Matter of fact I have been up there at the dealership so often that I feel like I have made a lot of friends there..LOL
I am sure the mechanic is sick of seeing me there but I guess it has been a real pain in the as for him..Cant blame him..
Speedy
Whatever it is it has nothing to do with the crash/slide back on Labor Day 2015...
The original sticking throttle issue was fixed months ago. Originally (like a lot of Panigales) it would buck if I tried to run it around under 4000 rpm gear at 45 mph etc. I had to run it in 2nd because it was running too lean (from the factory they are all set lean for EPA) Once I installed the Rapid Bike it cleared up and reprogrammed the fuel injection and it ran great for a while..I could put it in 4th at 45 mph (around 3300 rpm) an it would just purr. the Rapid Bike did a GREAT job of re tuning it and getting it to run smoother.
However in the last month it refuses to stay smooth at ANY speed or gear as long as the throttle is at appx 12% or less.
I ran it with the special plug in the Rapid Bike harness that takes it out of the equation. IN other words the plug allows you to run the bike with no further adjustments form the RB unit.. but ou do not have to remove the complete wiring from the rapid bike unit so you can get a baseline from stock ( I found that there was No difference in the problem without the RB unit installed (other than it doesn't pull near as strong when you are accelerating as it does with the RB unit installed).
Same problem whether it is running the RB unit or not...(That means unless the motor is in the process of accelerating (past 14% throttle) it is misfiring/bucking/surging whatever you want to call it.. I CAN run it in first gear at 50 mph and it doesn't do that however it is running around 6500 rpm! That makes it run hot and will wear out the motor and get terrible gas mileage (not to mention stares from cops etc)
Bottom line is it miss fires/stutters until it gets to around 6500 rpm.. Something is bad in the ignition or fuel delivery.. I suspect the ignition/spark plug or coil etc. It had brand new plugs installed recently when I got the Cams degree'd so unless they are the incorrect plugs I doubt that is the problem.. What ever it is the dealer wants to see a code thrown to be able to figure it out and so far that ain't happening.
I am taking it in today and the owner of the dealership is going to personally ride it.. He is a great guy and really wants to help me. Matter of fact I have been up there at the dealership so often that I feel like I have made a lot of friends there..LOL
I am sure the mechanic is sick of seeing me there but I guess it has been a real pain in the as for him..Cant blame him..
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"Even the Harley guys seem to at least respect it for what it is.. Maybe it is because it is a big twin and sounds kid of like their bikes on steroids."
I was surprised by the same response (just outside of Sturgis, of all places). If Ducati could somehow deliver a PC version of the following message: "It's a twin made by white people," they'd be able to sell a lot more Diavels.
I might have missed it in the previous posts, Speedy, but have you tried removing the RB module completely to see if the problem persists?
I was surprised by the same response (just outside of Sturgis, of all places). If Ducati could somehow deliver a PC version of the following message: "It's a twin made by white people," they'd be able to sell a lot more Diavels.
I might have missed it in the previous posts, Speedy, but have you tried removing the RB module completely to see if the problem persists?
I was going to suggest this but the thread turned.
Many people used to 4cyl's have an adjustment period. Bike really needs to stay over 5k rpm unless your cruising streets and this its going to be less then smooth.
Second or third opinion will go a long ways here.
I have had over a year adjustment period.. Still bugs me..
It is WAAY LESS than smooth...However I have decided to just ride the thing until it breaks. I rode a dealers 1299S demo today and although it wasn't near as fast as mine is with the Akropovic exhaust and RapidBike Racing unit it was definitely smoother at lower speeds etc. It ran like a twin Not as smooth as the typical 4 cylinder. but definitely smoother than mine.
BTW I also have ridden it without the Rapid bike installed and it does the same thing.. The bike just doesn't run as strong as ti does with the RB unit...
I am giving up and just going the ride it the way it is.. No sense bitching about it any more..There is simply no fix for it. I guess that is just this particular bikes nature and nothing will change it.....I will just have to adjust to it I guess...
It simply does not like slower city street speeds in any gear above 1st ( or going below 70 mph in 4th gear..) 5th and 6th gear are absolutely worthless on the street as long as you keep it below 80 mph LOL.
It makes a crappy street bike (but still runs great when at the track) However I think it has seen the last of its track days.. I simply have too much money tied up on it now..Just cannot take a chance on REALLY crashing it.. The little get off I had last Labor day was just s slide and some broken plastic. I got Really lucky..
Thanks for those of you out there that were offering constructive suggestions and ideas .
Speedy
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