Dave Moss Tunes 1199 "S" Suspension

EvoL · Jun 23, 2013

Sorry if this is a repost, I haven't seen it and came across it in my travels of the interwebs.

Ducati Panigale S model | Feel The Track

FINAL Setting:

170lb rider

Front Sag - 40mm total
Rear Sag - 35mm total

Front rebound at 17-19 best range
Front compression at 25
Rear rebound at 9 -11 best range
Rear compression at 15

zaster · Jun 23, 2013

Thanks for the info...been looking for suspension tuning help

Glogan · Jun 23, 2013

Thanks, I also weigh 170 will set up tommorrow .

bigrich · Jun 23, 2013

Yep, I'm a 220 rider and Dave set up my suspension at CLASS earlier this year. My settings are 10/10/10/4 (IIRC, going down the settings stack) and he softened my rear preload to near nothing.

After that change, the bike was transformed and I found another 15 degrees of lean angle (per Dave's estimation). That all said, get your suspension tuned by Dave!!!

-rich

EvoL · Jun 24, 2013

bigrich said:
Yep, I'm a 220 rider and Dave set up my suspension at CLASS earlier this year. My settings are 10/10/10/4 (IIRC, going down the settings stack) and he softened my rear preload to near nothing.

After that change, the bike was transformed and I found another 15 degrees of lean angle (per Dave's estimation). That all said, get your suspension tuned by Dave!!!

-rich

Good deal! But I dont think Dave will be in FL anytime soon

WAfatboy · Jun 24, 2013

bigrich said:
Yep, I'm a 220 rider and Dave set up my suspension at CLASS earlier this year. My settings are 10/10/10/4 (IIRC, going down the settings stack) and he softened my rear preload to near nothing.

After that change, the bike was transformed and I found another 15 degrees of lean angle (per Dave's estimation). That all said, get your suspension tuned by Dave!!!

-rich

Hey bigrich - I'm 220 so I'm real interested in your settings. The only difference I think is that I fitted a 100 spring instead of the 95.

So that's:

10 Front compression
10 Frint rebound
10 rear compression
4 rear rebound

Also just so,I'm clear, he removed nearly all the pre-load on the rear?

What did he do at the front if anything? Did he touch pre-load there? What is it set at? I know its hard to tell!

anthem · Jun 24, 2013

bigrich said:
After that change, the bike was transformed and I found another 15 degrees of lean angle (per Dave's estimation). That all said, get your suspension tuned by Dave!!!

-rich

Wow you went from say 40 to 55 degrees of lean angle ??? Quite a bit of exaggeration I think here.

JeffD · Jun 24, 2013

EvoL said:
Good deal! But I dont think Dave will be in FL anytime soon

My friends who rent Jennings GP for their riding group were considering flying him down to do setups at the track. He was already brought in by another group to do setups at Jennings and everyone was well pleased. I'll let you know if it comes through because I will definitely be going.

EvoL · Jun 24, 2013

anthem said:
Wow you went from say 40 to 55 degrees of lean angle ??? Quite a bit of exaggeration I think here.

Im guessing he's not a pro racer, so maybe he went from 20 degrees to to 35 degrees. Dave probably guessed that figure by tire wear, which he is known for deciphering.

Phl · Jun 24, 2013

anthem said:
Wow you went from say 40 to 55 degrees of lean angle ??? Quite a bit of exaggeration I think here.

i bet he went from 50 to 65 like pedrosa in the last GP

anthem · Jun 24, 2013

EvoL said:
Im guessing he's not a pro racer, so maybe he went from 20 degrees to to 35 degrees. Dave probably guessed that figure by tire wear, which he is known for deciphering.

There is no way even with a horrific suspension setup that he would have been at 20 degree lean angle. ....

EvoL · Jun 24, 2013

anthem said:
There is no way even with a horrific suspension setup that he would have been at 20 degree lean angle. ....

bigrich · Jun 24, 2013

Heh, so I have the stock spring on my S and yes my 'horrific' setup yielded a Dave Moss estimated 15 degree lean angle gain. Basically went from a 2" to .25" strip after 3 successive sessions of Dave reading my tire and resetting the compression/rebound settings after each session. He did set front/rear sag to begin with - I don't have those specs off the top - and didn't touch my fronts. He told me that the rear spring was too stiff and forcing the front end to dive harder than it should.

So am I pro? Clearly not if I'm attending a CLASS event. Am I good/bad compared to you? Who the f**k cares? I simply shared an anecdotal 'gain' by having my suspension tuned by a professional tuner and an overall great guy. Anyway, believe it or not it's up to you...but I stand by the gains from getting your suspension tuned by someone who knows how to - and fortunately for me, Dave is local (and he's tuned 3 of my last 7 bikes at CLASS events).

-rich

bigrich · Jun 24, 2013

WAfatboy,

My settings are as is, going down the settings stack. For preload and sag, you'd need a good static measure that I couldn't give you because Dave changed it after every session for me. And for reference, this was at Infineon/Sears Point here in Northern California, USA. Good luck!

-rich

gatti man · Jun 24, 2013

bigrich said:
Heh, so I have the stock spring on my S and yes my 'horrific' setup yielded a Dave Moss estimated 15 degree lean angle gain. Basically went from a 2" to .25" strip after 3 successive sessions of Dave reading my tire and resetting the compression/rebound settings after each session. He did set front/rear sag to begin with - I don't have those specs off the top - and didn't touch my fronts. He told me that the rear spring was too stiff and forcing the front end to dive harder than it should.

So am I pro? Clearly not if I'm attending a CLASS event. Am I good/bad compared to you? Who the f**k cares? I simply shared an anecdotal 'gain' by having my suspension tuned by a professional tuner and an overall great guy. Anyway, believe it or not it's up to you...but I stand by the gains from getting your suspension tuned by someone who knows how to - and fortunately for me, Dave is local (and he's tuned 3 of my last 7 bikes at CLASS events).

-rich

I have no strips on my tires and my suspension is home tuned done by me and some copy cat Internet work. I'd like to hire a pro but I'm doing a bunch of weight mods very soon so I'm waiting.

My point is most likely your smaller strips are you being more confident in your mind and zero to do with how good or bad your suspension really is.

AntiHero · Jun 24, 2013

Dave tuned my 675 and recently my 1199 S. The man is a suspension jedi. Every track is different and every rider is, too. That's why you need to see him. Suspension plagiarism is better than random settings, but having Moss set up your bike ($50) will drop lap times far more than any other mod.

Jariva · Jun 24, 2013

Suspension plagiarism works well.

Troy Bayliss, 68 kg (150 pounds):

Front compression 10
Front rebound 14
Rear compression 6
Rear rebound 8

These are for Panigales with DES.

JeffD · Jun 25, 2013

Jariva said:
Suspension plagiarism works well.

Troy Bayliss, 68 kg (150 pounds):

Front compression 10
Front rebound 14
Rear compression 6
Rear rebound 8

These are for Panigales with DES.

I've read that these are what the Pani S comes with stock in Race mode. I guess that makes sense since they made a big deal of him being involved in some of the final development of the bike.

Jariva · Jun 25, 2013

JeffD said:
I've read that these are what the Pani S comes with stock in Race mode. I guess that makes sense since they made a big deal of him being involved in some of the final development of the bike.

Yes, that is the way my Pani S was setup for RACE mode.

anthem · Jun 25, 2013

gatti man said:
I have no strips on my tires and my suspension is home tuned done by me and some copy cat Internet work. I'd like to hire a pro but I'm doing a bunch of weight mods very soon so I'm waiting.

My point is most likely your smaller strips are you being more confident in your mind and zero to do with how good or bad your suspension really is.

Agreed. He certainly is good - no doubt. But no amount of suspension tuning will get you from what you would normally be able to go plus another 15 degrees. Sorry your anecdotal is exaggerated. That's all I said and I stand by that.

Because out of the box you can get to (or close to) zero chicken strips fairly safely. So you being at 2 in of chicken strips is nowhere near where your limit was before.

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