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Hello Everybody,
Most of my riding is on back roads and after changing the suspension fro f to p feels like the front end is a little soft.Is f set up for the street as well?if not what kind of setting do you guys recommend when the bike is in p?
Thanks

Sorry for my english but i'm from Italy!:)
 
changing from F to P should NOT change your front end feel, did you mean the back end?
 
the master tech who did the change for me said it does not change ride height, can someone confirm this?
thanks
 
Round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows!
 
F to P or vice versa does not affect ride height only the way the spring responds to road surface.

duckyduc said:
the master tech who did the change for me said it does not change ride height, can someone confirm this?
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sag may be slightly effected but it would be minimal. I had to tweak mine 5mm after going back to F
 
massimt said:
to me feels different!what type of setting for the road would you recommend?
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No one can answer this for you as everyone's ridding style is different as is their preference for feel. What is perfect for some will suck for others. I suggest you start by setting front and rear sag based on your weight or take it to a pro that can set it for you and get you a decent baseline setup. Good luck.
 
zvez said:
F to P or vice versa does not affect ride height only the way the spring responds to road surface.
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True, changing the linkage around is meant to affect the spring rate. However, you would have to lengthen/shorten either the length of the rear ride height adjuster or increase/decrease spring preload (potentially spring rate itself depending on weight) to maintain proper rider sag, correct?
 
Yes but you would do that whether it's in F or P. At least that's how I understand it.

CW AF 03 said:
True, changing the linkage around is meant to affect the spring rate. However, you would have to lengthen/shorten either the length of the rear ride height adjuster or increase/decrease spring preload (potentially spring rate itself depending on weight) to maintain proper rider sag, correct?
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zvez said:
Yes but you would do that whether it's in F or P. At least that's how I understand it.
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Cool, we're on the same page then. I was thinking you said that wasn't necessary and I couldn't figure out how it couldn't be necessary.

I just thought of something though: changing your linkage rate in the rear changes the way the swingarm interacts with the shock. The spring rate may be the same, but the application/extertion of force would either be flat or progressive as the spring is compressed/extended. The compression/rebound damping may need an adjustment to compensate and could be a contributing factor to the change in front end feel, as it would affect the way the bike transfers weight both on and off the throttle.
 
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yep, I'd expect to have to change compre/rebound damping going from flat to progressive.

The suspension guy that worked on my bike suggested, with present settings he gave me I'd find F much more user friendly on the street.

CW AF 03 said:
Cool, we're on the same page then. I was thinking you said that wasn't necessary and I couldn't figure out how it couldn't be necessary.

I just thought of something though: changing your linkage rate in the rear changes the way the swingarm interacts with the shock. The spring rate may be the same, but the application/extertion of force would either be flat or progressive as the spring is compressed/extended. The compression/rebound damping may need an adjustment to compensate and could be a contributing factor to the change in front end feel, as it would affect the way the bike transfers weight both on and off the throttle.
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zvez said:
yep, I'd expect to have to change compre/rebound damping going from flat to progressive.

The suspension guy that worked on my bike suggested, with present settings he gave me I'd find F much more user friendly on the street.
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That seems to be the opposite of what my tech and everything I've read says. Flat is a track setting (both cars and bikes) so the feel of the shock is the exact same no matter the compresion for that level of hard riding (I know you now this, just making a point for those who may not, like me a week ago). But progressive is traditionally the setting for road use. Progressive means it compresses easier at the beginning and "progresses" to stiffer with movement. The result (same in a car) is that it minimizes your feeling every little bump on road riding (which you'd generally want on a track) making for a more comfortable ride.

I had them change to progressive when I picked up the bike, I am always on the road and never on the track.
 
You are correct Denver Rick. The additional purpose for the Progressive setting is if you ride with a passenger it will keep the rear suspension from bottoming out over bumps, which is why you should never ride with a passenger on the Flat setting.
 
I had the sag/ comp/rebound done by a pro suspension guy on my base, I ride mostly canyons, at the beginning the front felt good, close to my cbr600 front ohlins, now is way too soft, rebound is all the way to the max and still very soft and won't get stiff at all, I took it back to the guy who did it and he said we need to change to a heavier oil and thicker shims to fix the problem. Anyone else having problems with the front been too soft and bounci???
 
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ecuadorian said:
I had the sag/ comp/rebound done by a pro suspension guy on my base, I ride mostly canyons, at the beginning the front felt good, close to my cbr600 front ohlins, now is way too soft, rebound is all the way to the max and still very soft and won't get stiff at all, I took it back to the guy who did it and he said we need to change to a heavier oil and thicker shims to fix the problem. Anyone else having problems with the front been too soft and bounci???
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I agree, I have mine 1 off full stiff. They def need to be revalved.
 

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